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Old September 15th, 2017, 07:20 AM   #16
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I wish Canon had used the XF205 body style. I like the adjustable hand grip and the timecode port.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 07:30 AM   #17
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Not to mention the BP-9xx battery type.

And three control rings on the lens barrel vs. one.

Hopefully there's an XF600/605 in the works that'll have these things.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 01:07 PM   #18
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Seriously, I really like my 305s but would like to get to 4k but I would also like a 6G output or some means of using these for a multi camera live event like I do with the 305s. HDMI 4k wouldn't work due to distance needs and would like to try and avoid converting the 4kHDMI to something else if possible.
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Old September 16th, 2017, 08:29 PM   #19
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Took the time to finally see some samples... It's got that really obvious XA series color cast when you're filming stage lighting. Might actually defer my recommendation to the GH5 on that premise.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 09:04 PM   #20
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Canon has an annoyingly consistent habit of pricing new product about 20% too high. It's always been that way and always will be. Eventually their prices come down, thankfully, but you have to wait them out. But the brand new gear is always tagged higher than it should be and that's just a steadfast corporate operating model and nothing more. Regardless of where the sensor comes from.
In general, I agree with you Chris and sometimes it is far more than 20% too high. Exception to the rule for me though is the C200. At $7,500.00, it's the first Canon product I have bought in a long time that I thought was fairly priced for what it can do. It's definitely not perfect, the specs other than the Cinema RAW Light are under specified for the industry standard but adding internal RAW at the price point was a ballsy move. I am a bit underwhelmed though by some of the functions the camera does (I hesitate to call them bugs, more like oversights) and doesn't do that hopefully will be addressed in firmware.

As far as these new camcorders, they look pretty handy for certain uses, I may pick a couple of them up.
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Old September 18th, 2017, 03:49 AM   #21
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If the C200 offered a bitrate equal to that seen on the XC15, I'd agree with it's price, but it doesn't, so I can't. Take away RAW and you have a C100 Mark III in all but name, so it depends whether you feel the RAW option is worth the difference in price.

As an event shooter, I do appreciate the 100/150Mbps for 30p/60p 4K, but I do think manufacturers are getting lazy in sticking to them. At least with the GH5 we are getting a 400Mbps option and it's a shame these cameras don't provide a 2nd higher bitrate for those productions where a low bitrate doesn't quite cut it.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 07:10 AM   #22
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Not to mention the BP-9xx battery type.

And three control rings on the lens barrel vs. one.

Hopefully there's an XF600/605 in the works that'll have these things.
Agreed. And the zoom-speed thumb-wheel (please!)
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