DVC3--I'm finished and Posting Today!

Meryem Ersoz · September 15th, 2005, 10:39 AM

www.freeplay.com for free music. i can generally find something there. may not be perfect, but the price is right.

Fredrik-Larsson · September 15th, 2005, 01:57 PM

Friends... I just finished and handed in my contribution. Wow.. this was tougher than last time. So now I can sit down, relax, open a beer and ooh... wait! Now comes the time of nail-biting, nervousness... ohh my god.. well, I am looking forward to see all your contributions during the next week! :)

/Fredrik.

Sean McHenry · September 15th, 2005, 01:59 PM

I used to use Freeplaymusic.com for a lot of simple stuff. I even downloaded the entire site and put it to DVD.

Now I have another great source. Requires a bit of searching but it's amazing. I'll spill my guts tomorrow about it.

I have another issue now that you guys might be able to help with. This one's legal. I have been advised both directions in this issue. Here goes.

In shooting this little short, I decided it would be perfect to use a bit of dialog from a 1960 Paramount movie and a quick glance by the lead actress to her TV screen where we see a short shot from the film. Overall it's less than 1 minute total of audio and less than 5 seconds of video. Would this be considered incidental, like a coffee canister on a counter top or a car logo if we were shooting out in the street?

Yes, it does help out the idea of the film significantly, at least to me but I could use a lot of clips from almost anything to get this effect. It just happens this clip is right on the money for this.

I actually called Paramount Licensing and left a Voice Mail for the head of the department explaining what I was attempting to do but have not heard anything back. On the Paramount site it says, in effect, they only consider licensing issues for on-air television. That being the case, I could say that they seem to not care about us little film contest entrants and our little productions so they won't even bother with us. The other side is they could be telling us, no way so don't even ask.

Is this a short enough clip and incidental enough to not worry about? At worst, I would have to act it out or a "similar" scene and fake it on the TV, etc. I could do that if time gets too tight.

What do you guys think? Dylan?

Sean

Fredrik-Larsson · September 15th, 2005, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean McHenry

Is this a short enough clip and incidental enough to not worry about?

I have heard somewhere that it's okay. I can't verify it legally though. I have an idea where a guy is watching TV and I wondered if I had to pay a lot but I shortly read something afterwards that it was okay legally. It all depends on country of course.

To be safe however you can go to archive.org and download a public domain movie and show that instead. I found a real good Humphrey Bogart movie there.

Sean McHenry · September 15th, 2005, 02:15 PM

The big problem there would be, I would need to cross referance all the dialog in a film and be able to search for key words, like "camera". I just happend to know there was a lot of talk of cameras in this particular film. That's why I am trying hard to justify using it here.

The Pelinger Archives are great for finding old stuff. I downloaded some of the stuff on the Atomic Bomb a while back, converted it to MPEG2 and made a DVD for my daughter to take to school for a project. Took a bit of doing and MP4 isn't an archival resource but it looked OK for what it was.

Duck and cover.

Sean

Dick Mays · September 15th, 2005, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean McHenry

Now I have another great source. Requires a bit of searching but it's amazing. I'll spill my guts tomorrow about it.

I have another issue now that you guys might be able to help with. This one's legal. I have been advised both directions in this issue. Here goes.

In shooting this little short, I decided it would be perfect to use a bit of dialog from a 1960 Paramount movie and a quick glance by the lead actress to her TV screen where we see a short shot from the film. Overall it's less than 1 minute total of audio and less than 5 seconds of video. Would this be considered incidental, like a coffee canister on a counter top or a car logo if we were shooting out in the street?

Yes, it does help out the idea of the film significantly, at least to me but I could use a lot of clips from almost anything to get this effect. It just happens this clip is right on the money for this.

I actually called Paramount Licensing and left a Voice Mail for the head of the department explaining what I was attempting to do but have not heard anything back. On the Paramount site it says, in effect, they only consider licensing issues for on-air television. That being the case, I could say that they seem to not care about us little film contest entrants and our little productions so they won't even bother with us. The other side is they could be telling us, no way so don't even ask.

Is this a short enough clip and incidental enough to not worry about? At worst, I would have to act it out or a "similar" scene and fake it on the TV, etc. I could do that if time gets too tight.

What do you guys think? Dylan?

Sean

Sean,

If you had given up your great music source, I would say you're okay, good to go, no problemo, but now...

It is obvious copyright infringement and completely WRONG!!!!
:)
Dick

Jeff Tyler · September 15th, 2005, 05:23 PM

Well everybody I'm finished and it should be getting posted on the web tonight by my good friend by tonight. I am very satisfied with what I got. Although having my friend play the piano worked out okay but he messed up a few times and I wasn't there for the recording, so my music isn't the best sadly :( But it still is pretty good. I look forward to seeing everyone else's work.

Dylan Couper · September 15th, 2005, 06:21 PM

Sean, I'm not sure exactly how it works into your film. Just submit it as you see fit, and I'll review it from there. The thing I want to avoid is people using other people's work to make theirs better, like with music. If it doesn't affect the overall strength of your film (like it's in the bacground) then it's cool. Otherwise I'd have to see it.

Jeff Sayre · September 16th, 2005, 01:36 AM

Okay, it's been a long week. I have spent way too many hours on this. Yes, it's my fault. I decided to go over the top with Tron-type VFX. I kept on getting new ideas and instead of saying "enough," I basically decided I didn't need to sleep.

Well, my movie is finished except for the score. I'll work on that tomorrow, encode, and then post.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · September 16th, 2005, 11:43 AM

My movie is completed!!!
Dylan, I emailed you the details about the movie and the link to this address: thedvchallenge@hotmail.com

Is it OK?

Dick Mays · September 16th, 2005, 12:54 PM

Humm...

I follow the QuickTime instructions and get a 70M file for my 3.5 minute movie. Real Player gives me a good looking 6M file, and Flash give em a decent 11M file.

Was planning to post to OurMedia, but the 11M file had repeated problems. I did upload the Real player file, but have been unable to view it.

Suggestions appreciated.

Jeff Tyler · September 16th, 2005, 01:06 PM

I don't know if this is allowed. But rapidshare.de can host any file up to 50 mb with unlimited downloads. The only catch is when you go to the link you ahve a to wait usually about 20 seconds until the download link comes up. Check it out, should work good.

Elvis Deane · September 16th, 2005, 01:23 PM

I had so much trouble encoding to Quicktime and getting decent results. I think in the end I went with Unconstrained rather than Basic 50 kb, and got a decently small file size that looked okay.

Hostrocket has free hosting that seems to work pretty good. It's 25 megs of space and 2 gigs of transfer.

Dick Mays · September 16th, 2005, 03:20 PM

The unconstrained bitrate produced a smaller QT file. Still, it is twice as big as the Real Media file and doesn't look half as good.

My experience has been WMV >better> RealPlayer >better> Flash >better> Quicktime.

At least for smaller sized files. I suppose it's not quicktime, but the Sorenson codec being measured here.

What makes Quicktime so popular?

Jeff Tyler · September 16th, 2005, 03:41 PM

They are more universal. People with macs have trouble playing wmv's while both pc's and macs can easily play quicktime.

September 15th, 2005, 01:59 PM	#48
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	I used to use Freeplaymusic.com for a lot of simple stuff. I even downloaded the entire site and put it to DVD. Now I have another great source. Requires a bit of searching but it's amazing. I'll spill my guts tomorrow about it. I have another issue now that you guys might be able to help with. This one's legal. I have been advised both directions in this issue. Here goes. In shooting this little short, I decided it would be perfect to use a bit of dialog from a 1960 Paramount movie and a quick glance by the lead actress to her TV screen where we see a short shot from the film. Overall it's less than 1 minute total of audio and less than 5 seconds of video. Would this be considered incidental, like a coffee canister on a counter top or a car logo if we were shooting out in the street? Yes, it does help out the idea of the film significantly, at least to me but I could use a lot of clips from almost anything to get this effect. It just happens this clip is right on the money for this. I actually called Paramount Licensing and left a Voice Mail for the head of the department explaining what I was attempting to do but have not heard anything back. On the Paramount site it says, in effect, they only consider licensing issues for on-air television. That being the case, I could say that they seem to not care about us little film contest entrants and our little productions so they won't even bother with us. The other side is they could be telling us, no way so don't even ask. Is this a short enough clip and incidental enough to not worry about? At worst, I would have to act it out or a "similar" scene and fake it on the TV, etc. I could do that if time gets too tight. What do you guys think? Dylan? Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

September 15th, 2005, 02:15 PM	#50
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	The big problem there would be, I would need to cross referance all the dialog in a film and be able to search for key words, like "camera". I just happend to know there was a lot of talk of cameras in this particular film. That's why I am trying hard to justify using it here. The Pelinger Archives are great for finding old stuff. I downloaded some of the stuff on the Atomic Bomb a while back, converted it to MPEG2 and made a DVD for my daughter to take to school for a project. Took a bit of doing and MP4 isn't an archival resource but it looked OK for what it was. Duck and cover. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

September 15th, 2005, 06:21 PM	#53
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Sean, I'm not sure exactly how it works into your film. Just submit it as you see fit, and I'll review it from there. The thing I want to avoid is people using other people's work to make theirs better, like with music. If it doesn't affect the overall strength of your film (like it's in the bacground) then it's cool. Otherwise I'd have to see it. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

September 16th, 2005, 01:36 AM	#54
Jeff Sayre Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 301	Okay, it's been a long week. I have spent way too many hours on this. Yes, it's my fault. I decided to go over the top with Tron-type VFX. I kept on getting new ideas and instead of saying "enough," I basically decided I didn't need to sleep. Well, my movie is finished except for the score. I'll work on that tomorrow, encode, and then post. __________________ www.SayreMedia.com

September 16th, 2005, 11:43 AM	#55
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	My movie is completed!!! Dylan, I emailed you the details about the movie and the link to this address: thedvchallenge@hotmail.com Is it OK? __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

September 15th, 2005, 10:39 AM	#46
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	www.freeplay.com for free music. i can generally find something there. may not be perfect, but the price is right.

September 15th, 2005, 01:57 PM	#47
Fredrik-Larsson Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Malmö, Sweden Posts: 395	Friends... I just finished and handed in my contribution. Wow.. this was tougher than last time. So now I can sit down, relax, open a beer and ooh... wait! Now comes the time of nail-biting, nervousness... ohh my god.. well, I am looking forward to see all your contributions during the next week! :) /Fredrik.

September 15th, 2005, 05:23 PM	#52
Jeff Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 88	Well everybody I'm finished and it should be getting posted on the web tonight by my good friend by tonight. I am very satisfied with what I got. Although having my friend play the piano worked out okay but he messed up a few times and I wasn't there for the recording, so my music isn't the best sadly :( But it still is pretty good. I look forward to seeing everyone else's work.

September 16th, 2005, 12:54 PM	#56
Dick Mays Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 690	I'm done, but problems posting Humm... I follow the QuickTime instructions and get a 70M file for my 3.5 minute movie. Real Player gives me a good looking 6M file, and Flash give em a decent 11M file. Was planning to post to OurMedia, but the 11M file had repeated problems. I did upload the Real player file, but have been unable to view it. Suggestions appreciated.

September 16th, 2005, 01:06 PM	#57
Jeff Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 88	I don't know if this is allowed. But rapidshare.de can host any file up to 50 mb with unlimited downloads. The only catch is when you go to the link you ahve a to wait usually about 20 seconds until the download link comes up. Check it out, should work good.

September 16th, 2005, 01:23 PM	#58
Elvis Deane New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 15	I had so much trouble encoding to Quicktime and getting decent results. I think in the end I went with Unconstrained rather than Basic 50 kb, and got a decently small file size that looked okay. Hostrocket has free hosting that seems to work pretty good. It's 25 megs of space and 2 gigs of transfer. __________________ Elvis Deane! www.astoundingadventures.com

September 16th, 2005, 03:20 PM	#59
Dick Mays Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 690	Thanks Elvis The unconstrained bitrate produced a smaller QT file. Still, it is twice as big as the Real Media file and doesn't look half as good. My experience has been WMV >better> RealPlayer >better> Flash >better> Quicktime. At least for smaller sized files. I suppose it's not quicktime, but the Sorenson codec being measured here. What makes Quicktime so popular?

September 16th, 2005, 03:41 PM	#60
Jeff Tyler Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 88	They are more universal. People with macs have trouble playing wmv's while both pc's and macs can easily play quicktime.