HD DVD burned onto red laser disc at DVinfo.net

David Kennett · October 23rd, 2006, 02:35 PM

There's an active discussion on avsforum.com about making HD DVDs. Look under HD DVD software. It works great for HDV, as well as broadcast captured to PC.

Greg Boston · October 23rd, 2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Kennett

There's an active discussion on avsforum.com about making HD DVDs. Look under HD DVD software. It works great for HDV, as well as broadcast captured to PC.

That feature got added to DVD Studio Pro last year (June 2005). The only problem was at that time there were no set top boxes that would play it back. But you could play it back on your Mac computer.

Alsoj, it's my understanding that if you do make an HD-DVD, it has to be MPEG-2 for the current set top boxes. They don't understand H.264 or MPEG4 as of yet.

-gb-

David Kennett · October 23rd, 2006, 03:55 PM

Greg,

The MPEG2 is a limitation of the Ulead authoring software. You can get 40 minutes or so on a single layer disc with pretty good quality. If you look for the ABSOLUTE best encoder you could do better.

Reading HD DVD on red laser disc is standard, so any present or future HD DVD player should work. It can be MPEG 2, AVC, or VC-1. I am looking for an alternative authoring program for the advanced codecs. BlueRay does NOT have this feature.

There is a LOT of discussion about this on avsforum!

Sharyn Ferrick · October 23rd, 2006, 04:36 PM

the one codec that is NOT on the HD DVD players is AVCHD, which I can understand but is a shame, On the BD side the ONLY RED laser HD content codec IS AVCHD, as Sony attempts to control how their players are used

SO it would seem that is you want to use red laser dvd's with your own created content, your playback option is either a PC or a HD DVD player (including X box 360 with the HD DVD add on)

Sharyn

Thomas Smet · October 23rd, 2006, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

That feature got added to DVD Studio Pro last year (June 2005). The only problem was at that time there were no set top boxes that would play it back. But you could play it back on your Mac computer.

Alsoj, it's my understanding that if you do make an HD-DVD, it has to be MPEG-2 for the current set top boxes. They don't understand H.264 or MPEG4 as of yet.

-gb-

All Hollywood HD-DVD movies in fact only use VC1 for the video and not mpeg-2 at all. It is Blu-ray that is only using mpeg-2 right now.

Sharyn Ferrick · October 24th, 2006, 12:42 AM

Currently Microsoft has not released a version of VC1 in HD for the general market, until that time, "home brew" HD on Red DVD's pretty much need to use MPEG2

Sharyn

David Kennett · October 24th, 2006, 06:42 AM

Maybe I'm confused here, but I thought WM9 IS VC-1. The WM9 encoder has been available for free at Microsoft's web site for some time.

Emre Safak · October 24th, 2006, 07:24 AM

I believe WMV9 is the technology underlying VC-1, but the file formats may be different (like how you can use any codec in an AVI or MOV file).

Sharyn Ferrick · October 24th, 2006, 08:30 PM

I think you will find that the ability to take HD material and encode it to VC1 in HD is not available in the consumer yet

Sharyn

Greg Boston · October 24th, 2006, 08:59 PM

What I was alluding to in my original posting was that someone used Apple's DVD Studio Pro to burn an HD-DVD but using H.264 as a compression scheme. This HD DVD played back on the Apple, but the set top box refused to read it. It's my understanding that if you do the same thing using MPEG2 in place of H.264, the HD-DVD players will recognize and play the disc.

This happened earlier this year and the players may have become more 'accepting' of other codecs. I don't own one yet so I can't be certain.

-gb-

October 23rd, 2006, 02:35 PM	#1
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	HD DVD burned onto red laser disc There's an active discussion on avsforum.com about making HD DVDs. Look under HD DVD software. It works great for HDV, as well as broadcast captured to PC. __________________ Dave

October 23rd, 2006, 03:55 PM	#3
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	Greg, The MPEG2 is a limitation of the Ulead authoring software. You can get 40 minutes or so on a single layer disc with pretty good quality. If you look for the ABSOLUTE best encoder you could do better. Reading HD DVD on red laser disc is standard, so any present or future HD DVD player should work. It can be MPEG 2, AVC, or VC-1. I am looking for an alternative authoring program for the advanced codecs. BlueRay does NOT have this feature. There is a LOT of discussion about this on avsforum! __________________ Dave

October 24th, 2006, 06:42 AM	#7
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	Maybe I'm confused here, but I thought WM9 IS VC-1. The WM9 encoder has been available for free at Microsoft's web site for some time. __________________ Dave

October 23rd, 2006, 04:36 PM	#4
Sharyn Ferrick Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sitka Alaska Posts: 128	the one codec that is NOT on the HD DVD players is AVCHD, which I can understand but is a shame, On the BD side the ONLY RED laser HD content codec IS AVCHD, as Sony attempts to control how their players are used SO it would seem that is you want to use red laser dvd's with your own created content, your playback option is either a PC or a HD DVD player (including X box 360 with the HD DVD add on) Sharyn

October 24th, 2006, 12:42 AM	#6
Sharyn Ferrick Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sitka Alaska Posts: 128	Currently Microsoft has not released a version of VC1 in HD for the general market, until that time, "home brew" HD on Red DVD's pretty much need to use MPEG2 Sharyn

October 24th, 2006, 07:24 AM	#8
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	I believe WMV9 is the technology underlying VC-1, but the file formats may be different (like how you can use any codec in an AVI or MOV file).

October 24th, 2006, 08:30 PM	#9
Sharyn Ferrick Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sitka Alaska Posts: 128	I think you will find that the ability to take HD material and encode it to VC1 in HD is not available in the consumer yet Sharyn

October 24th, 2006, 08:59 PM	#10
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	What I was alluding to in my original posting was that someone used Apple's DVD Studio Pro to burn an HD-DVD but using H.264 as a compression scheme. This HD DVD played back on the Apple, but the set top box refused to read it. It's my understanding that if you do the same thing using MPEG2 in place of H.264, the HD-DVD players will recognize and play the disc. This happened earlier this year and the players may have become more 'accepting' of other codecs. I don't own one yet so I can't be certain. -gb-