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Ger Griffin · July 5th, 2007, 09:44 AM

hey guys
is it a complicated affair and is there much quality loss converting hdv footage shot on a pal xl-a1 and edited in pp2 to ntsc
(shot in europe, final destination- hd-dvd or blue ray in both europe & usa)

Ger Griffin · July 5th, 2007, 09:50 AM

just read a thread underneath that explained a certain amount.
i suppose my question is in relation to hdv stuff

Mauritius Seeger · July 8th, 2007, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ger Griffin

hey guys
is it a complicated affair and is there much quality loss converting hdv footage shot on a pal xl-a1 and edited in pp2 to ntsc
(shot in europe, final destination- hd-dvd or blue ray in both europe & usa)

you're question isn't really clear at all.

first off you can't put HDV on standard video DVD's - they just hold standard definition (PAL/NTSC) - you need blueray or HD-DVD for that.

but then you seem to suggest that your video material has been converted to NTSC. so i don't know how HD comes into it

what is it that you want to know?

Ger Griffin · July 9th, 2007, 12:55 PM

yea i know i kindof confused myself.
basically i want to know about regions in the hdv format.
for instance if i shoot hdv with a pal xh-a1 and edit for local use
will it be a comlicated affair to prepare the same footage
to play that on a u.s. blue ray player and u.s. high def tv.

Mauritius Seeger · July 9th, 2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ger Griffin

yea i know i kindof confused myself.
basically i want to know about regions in the hdv format.
for instance if i shoot hdv with a pal xh-a1 and edit for local use
will it be a comlicated affair to prepare the same footage
to play that on a u.s. blue ray player and u.s. high def tv.

yeah i think i understand.

if you shoot HDV on a PAL Canon XH-A1 it will be recorded as 25 frames per second, just as if you recorded in SD. for the US market you need 30 fps however. so you will still need to perform the conversion unfortunately. it's not that complicated though. most editing packages will be able to perform the conversion.

the quality of the converted clip will of course never be as good as if you shot the video in 30fps in the first place.

Ger Griffin · July 10th, 2007, 08:36 PM

thanks for that. i assume theres no way to cheat the system?
divx?

Ger Griffin · July 12th, 2007, 12:44 PM

has anybody here tried converting pal hdv footage to ntsc and actually seen the results on an ntsc screen played with ntsc blue ray player or vice versa?

and if not how much quality loss would ye suspect would take place?

would the loss be enough for me to forget about my project until i can afford an ntsc camera?

Giroud Francois · July 12th, 2007, 03:22 PM

basicaly, there would be no loss in converting HDV25 (europe) to HDV(30) USA, since they use the same 1440x1080i resolution.
the only change would be that some jerkiness could appears.
If you convert your HDV25 to HDV24, it is simpler since it is the same everywhere. But this require HDV25p or deinterlace HDV50i to HDV25p.
on the other hand, you could have not HDV25p but HDV50i that is easily converted to HDV60i.

Ger Griffin · July 12th, 2007, 04:34 PM

i think i've got ya.
So the key point being unlike the conversion needed from 768 x 576 to 648 x 486 on the sd format the picture itself remains crisp.
and i should make my choice of shooting modes depending on the footage i intend shooting.
thanks Giroud

Ervin Farkas · July 16th, 2007, 03:27 PM

Just to clarify the terminology you used, Ger: regions refers to something related, but different.

As explained above, your issues is converting frame rates (25 to 30). Regions, on the other hand, is a Hollywood invention that helps them release a movie in different parts of the world at different times. USA is region one, Europe is region two and so forth.

You can set your DVD to any region (one region, more regions, or no region) from within your DVD authoring software regardless of what TV standard the disc is.

Regarding the PAL to NTSC HDV conversion, I would suggest using a specialized software and not Premiere Pro.

Ger Griffin · July 16th, 2007, 09:26 PM

oh right, thanks ervin.
im glad i can go ahead and shoot my project without having to use an ntsc hdv cam.
i wonder could i disguise this jerkiness with a film look to the footage. i suppose experimentation is answer to that.

July 5th, 2007, 09:44 AM	#1
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	dvd regions in hdv hey guys is it a complicated affair and is there much quality loss converting hdv footage shot on a pal xl-a1 and edited in pp2 to ntsc (shot in europe, final destination- hd-dvd or blue ray in both europe & usa)

July 16th, 2007, 03:27 PM	#10
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Regions explained Just to clarify the terminology you used, Ger: regions refers to something related, but different. As explained above, your issues is converting frame rates (25 to 30). Regions, on the other hand, is a Hollywood invention that helps them release a movie in different parts of the world at different times. USA is region one, Europe is region two and so forth. You can set your DVD to any region (one region, more regions, or no region) from within your DVD authoring software regardless of what TV standard the disc is. Regarding the PAL to NTSC HDV conversion, I would suggest using a specialized software and not Premiere Pro. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

July 5th, 2007, 09:50 AM	#2
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	just read a thread underneath that explained a certain amount. i suppose my question is in relation to hdv stuff

July 9th, 2007, 12:55 PM	#4
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	yea i know i kindof confused myself. basically i want to know about regions in the hdv format. for instance if i shoot hdv with a pal xh-a1 and edit for local use will it be a comlicated affair to prepare the same footage to play that on a u.s. blue ray player and u.s. high def tv.

July 10th, 2007, 08:36 PM	#6
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	thanks for that. i assume theres no way to cheat the system? divx?

July 12th, 2007, 12:44 PM	#7
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	has anybody here tried converting pal hdv footage to ntsc and actually seen the results on an ntsc screen played with ntsc blue ray player or vice versa? and if not how much quality loss would ye suspect would take place? would the loss be enough for me to forget about my project until i can afford an ntsc camera?

July 12th, 2007, 03:22 PM	#8
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	basicaly, there would be no loss in converting HDV25 (europe) to HDV(30) USA, since they use the same 1440x1080i resolution. the only change would be that some jerkiness could appears. If you convert your HDV25 to HDV24, it is simpler since it is the same everywhere. But this require HDV25p or deinterlace HDV50i to HDV25p. on the other hand, you could have not HDV25p but HDV50i that is easily converted to HDV60i.

July 12th, 2007, 04:34 PM	#9
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	i think i've got ya. So the key point being unlike the conversion needed from 768 x 576 to 648 x 486 on the sd format the picture itself remains crisp. and i should make my choice of shooting modes depending on the footage i intend shooting. thanks Giroud

July 16th, 2007, 09:26 PM	#11
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	oh right, thanks ervin. im glad i can go ahead and shoot my project without having to use an ntsc hdv cam. i wonder could i disguise this jerkiness with a film look to the footage. i suppose experimentation is answer to that.