Tapeless HDV-A Winner? at DVinfo.net

Heath Vinyard · February 22nd, 2006, 11:21 AM

It seems that both the DV Rack with HDV add on and the FS-4 HD are having problems with time code in HDV format. So my question is, has there been a clear cut winner in the DTE/DTD HDV product category.

I'd love the idea of using the firestore, but without time code in HDV, it's not looking like a winner.

DV Rack with HDV seems like a great choice as well. You get a lot of bang for the buck with this. The only problem is having to be at the camera AND the laptop at the same time.

Steve Nunez · February 25th, 2006, 06:49 AM

Has anyone been able to get successful "reliable" HDV DTD done period?

It seems all I'm hearing are small problems that are plaquing the direct to disk products- has anyone been using one successfully- even without timecode?

Heath Vinyard · February 25th, 2006, 08:40 AM

I did manage to get some test footage footage with the trial version of DV Rack with the HDV add on. It was only 2 minutes worth of shots, but it was completely tapeless. Dropped it into Vegas 6d and edited it without a problem. I did notice there was no sound, but I don't know if that was my inexperience with the new camera or something else.

Steve Nunez · February 25th, 2006, 05:17 PM

See what I mean- No sound! There always seems to be something not right with DTD and HDV- has anyone got anything working at all?

I'd like to pickup another Sony FX-1 and go totally tapeless- but I have yet to see anyone post a success.

Heath Vinyard · February 25th, 2006, 06:34 PM

It could be that the HD100 doesn't record audio unless there's a tape in the bay. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure this thing out, so it could just be me as to why audio didn't record.

Heath Vinyard · February 25th, 2006, 10:53 PM

Steve.
It was me and my inexperience with the camera. I was able to record HDV signals tonight WITH sound. :)

Steve Nunez · February 26th, 2006, 02:01 PM

Heath, great. When you have some significant time using the tapeless setup- let us know how reliable the tapeless solution is- we're all anxious to hear a successful story. Keep us updated.

(Keeping my fingers crossed)

Robin Davies-Rollinson · February 26th, 2006, 05:55 PM

Now all we need is for Firestore to be the first to substitute a card writer instead of the hard disc in their unit and we can all be using solid-state capture. (If they don't, then rest assured someone else will...)

Robin

Robert M Wright · February 26th, 2006, 10:58 PM

I briefly tried connecting my HD10U direct to desktop PC, via DV Rack trial version. I did get some footage captured, but the machine locked up several times before I did manage to capture. Has anyone managed to run it consistently without getting lockups (with any HDV camera)?

Heath Vinyard · February 26th, 2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert M Wright

I briefly tried connecting my HD10U direct to desktop PC, via DV Rack trial version. I did get some footage captured, but the machine locked up several times before I did manage to capture. Has anyone managed to run it consistently without getting lockups (with any HDV camera)?

I've recorded two minute chunks on my latop. I did have one time where the HD monitor in the software freaked out, but a quick reboot fixed it.

Dan Euritt · February 27th, 2006, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Davies-Rollinson

Now all we need is for Firestore to be the first to substitute a card writer instead of the hard disc in their unit and we can all be using solid-state capture.

i *think* that the current crop of memory drives that are in the ide-compatible package format already include the card writer in the drive... it's supposed to be a direct drop-in replacement for an ide hard drive.

they are not cheap, but if get one with enuf sustained write speed capability, it should be a plug-n-play swap for the hdd in your fs-4.

of course, the drawback is the price vs. capacity, which doesn't begin to compare to a regular hdd.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · February 27th, 2006, 05:17 PM

Thanks Dan, that sounds interesting.
My reasoning was that with all the fuss about the Panasonic P2 range of cameras, then with this type of add-on unit, any of our cameras could have the same solid-state capturing and file transfer protocol.

Robin

Charles Marshall · February 27th, 2006, 07:14 PM

My main concern: is it worth it. Tapes are inexpensive right now. But to go tapeless on a Sony would be great. question is , would it be 1k great? or 1500 great?

Charles Marshall · February 27th, 2006, 07:23 PM

My main concern: is it worth it. Tapes are inexpensive right now. But to go tapeless on a Sony would be great. question is , would it be 1k great? or 1500 great?

Steven Davis · April 14th, 2006, 01:53 PM

So is the conclusion that noone is doing successful DTD HD recording? So in theory, a laptop, external firewire drive camera link is not been done yet?

February 22nd, 2006, 11:21 AM	#1
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	Tapeless HDV-A Winner? It seems that both the DV Rack with HDV add on and the FS-4 HD are having problems with time code in HDV format. So my question is, has there been a clear cut winner in the DTE/DTD HDV product category. I'd love the idea of using the firestore, but without time code in HDV, it's not looking like a winner. DV Rack with HDV seems like a great choice as well. You get a lot of bang for the buck with this. The only problem is having to be at the camera AND the laptop at the same time. __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

February 25th, 2006, 06:49 AM	#2
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Has anyone been able to get successful "reliable" HDV DTD done period? It seems all I'm hearing are small problems that are plaquing the direct to disk products- has anyone been using one successfully- even without timecode? __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

February 25th, 2006, 08:40 AM	#3
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	I did manage to get some test footage footage with the trial version of DV Rack with the HDV add on. It was only 2 minutes worth of shots, but it was completely tapeless. Dropped it into Vegas 6d and edited it without a problem. I did notice there was no sound, but I don't know if that was my inexperience with the new camera or something else. __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

February 25th, 2006, 05:17 PM	#4
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	See what I mean- No sound! There always seems to be something not right with DTD and HDV- has anyone got anything working at all? I'd like to pickup another Sony FX-1 and go totally tapeless- but I have yet to see anyone post a success. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

February 25th, 2006, 06:34 PM	#5
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	It could be that the HD100 doesn't record audio unless there's a tape in the bay. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure this thing out, so it could just be me as to why audio didn't record. __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

February 25th, 2006, 10:53 PM	#6
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	Steve. It was me and my inexperience with the camera. I was able to record HDV signals tonight WITH sound. :) __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

February 26th, 2006, 02:01 PM	#7
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Heath, great. When you have some significant time using the tapeless setup- let us know how reliable the tapeless solution is- we're all anxious to hear a successful story. Keep us updated. (Keeping my fingers crossed) __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

February 26th, 2006, 05:55 PM	#8
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Now all we need is for Firestore to be the first to substitute a card writer instead of the hard disc in their unit and we can all be using solid-state capture. (If they don't, then rest assured someone else will...) Robin

February 26th, 2006, 10:58 PM	#9
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	I briefly tried connecting my HD10U direct to desktop PC, via DV Rack trial version. I did get some footage captured, but the machine locked up several times before I did manage to capture. Has anyone managed to run it consistently without getting lockups (with any HDV camera)?

February 27th, 2006, 05:17 PM	#12
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Thanks Dan, that sounds interesting. My reasoning was that with all the fuss about the Panasonic P2 range of cameras, then with this type of add-on unit, any of our cameras could have the same solid-state capturing and file transfer protocol. Robin

February 27th, 2006, 07:14 PM	#13
Charles Marshall Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: atlanta gA Posts: 29	good point robin My main concern: is it worth it. Tapes are inexpensive right now. But to go tapeless on a Sony would be great. question is , would it be 1k great? or 1500 great?

February 27th, 2006, 07:23 PM	#14
Charles Marshall Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: atlanta gA Posts: 29	good point robin My main concern: is it worth it. Tapes are inexpensive right now. But to go tapeless on a Sony would be great. question is , would it be 1k great? or 1500 great?

April 14th, 2006, 01:53 PM	#15
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	So is the conclusion that noone is doing successful DTD HD recording? So in theory, a laptop, external firewire drive camera link is not been done yet? __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?