firestore files coming into FCP stereo and can't separate them at DVinfo.net

Phil Bloom · January 14th, 2008, 05:31 PM

For some reason when i bring them into final cut pro the audio is stereo instead of split mono and I can't pull them apart. Is there some reason for this?

Can i fix it?

am recording on a dsr 450

Phil Bloom · January 14th, 2008, 05:32 PM

sorry double post

Robert Lane · January 14th, 2008, 06:08 PM

It's all in your capture presets - you can select either stereo pair or dual-mono. Check your capture/import preferences first.

If you're simply tranferring QT files then the Firestore has most likely recorded them as a stereo pair. Barry Green is the Firestore expert, he can help you with this much more than I.

Phil Bloom · January 14th, 2008, 06:11 PM

i'm not capturing, the firestore does that and I am just dragging the files into FCP

Robert Lane · January 14th, 2008, 06:16 PM

Then the FS is recording as a stereo pair. I'm not a FS user so I can't help with any setting changes but I'd imagine the manual talks about any options you may have for audio capture presets.

William Hohauser · January 14th, 2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Bloom

i'm not capturing, the firestore does that and I am just dragging the files into FCP

Highlight the audio file part of the clip on the timeline and press "option" "L". Split files! You might have to check the pan and change it to mono.

I not sure if the FireStore is capable of recording split audio files even though I have one.

Phil Bloom · January 15th, 2008, 01:31 AM

they seem to be coming in mixed which is the problem

Robert Lane · January 15th, 2008, 09:55 AM

Outside of a tech support call to Focus, it sounds like you'd need to import the audio into an application like Peak, Deck or maybe even Soundtrack Pro and change the file to dual-mono and then re-import it into FCP.

Or, how about connecting the drive and actually capturing it, just as you would with tape. At least that way you could force the audio to be dual-mono on import rather than just transferring files and dealing with the pre-formatted issue.

Try contacting Focus directly and see what they say.

William Hohauser · January 15th, 2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Bloom

they seem to be coming in mixed which is the problem

That should not happen by any stretch of the imagination. Can you split the audio tracks and check them out individually? If the tracks are mixed then, this is a result of camera settings not the FireStore or FCP.

Phil Bloom · January 15th, 2008, 04:22 PM

They aren't mixed. the only way I can separate them is individually within quicktime. Is there a way in Final cut pro?

I would never capture real time through firestore makes the point of having one a bit...pointless!

William Hohauser · January 16th, 2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Bloom

They aren't mixed. the only way I can separate them is individually within quicktime. Is there a way in Final cut pro?

Please refer to post #6 in this thread.

Phil Bloom · January 16th, 2008, 02:30 PM

That doesn't work. If you put them on the timeline they come out mixed! I need to separate them in the bin. I can do it in quicktime but not within FCP.

I have put a support request in but nobody has got back to me yet.

William Hohauser · January 16th, 2008, 06:47 PM

First play the problem clip on the timeline while shutting off audio 1 or 2. Do you get the track separation you want?

If you do then it's time to unlink the audio. That is easily done by highlighting the clip on the timeline and pressing "option L". A quartet of pinkish arrows under the clip name will disappear. You now can double click on the clip and the viewer will give you two tabs for the clip's audio instead of one. At this point you might find it helpful to see if the pan is set to "-1" on audio 1 and "1" with audio 2. You might want to play with the pan if these are vocal tracks.

Do you want to get rid of one track entirely? Press "shift L" (this deactivates "Linked Selection" on the timeline) and click on the unlinked audio track you don't want. Once it's highlighted just delete. You can reactive "Linked Selection" at this point.

Mike Flynn · January 16th, 2008, 07:57 PM

I have recorded non-mixed audio on the Firestore many times. Your problem lies in either unlinking the audio or making them a non-stereo pair in Final Cut and playing with the pan. You can do this while it is in the timeline. If they are still mixed, then they had to have been mixed in the camera.

January 14th, 2008, 05:31 PM	#1
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	firestore files coming into FCP stereo and can't separate them For some reason when i bring them into final cut pro the audio is stereo instead of split mono and I can't pull them apart. Is there some reason for this? Can i fix it? am recording on a dsr 450 __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 14th, 2008, 06:11 PM	#4
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	i'm not capturing, the firestore does that and I am just dragging the files into FCP __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 15th, 2008, 01:31 AM	#7
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	they seem to be coming in mixed which is the problem __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 15th, 2008, 04:22 PM	#10
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	They aren't mixed. the only way I can separate them is individually within quicktime. Is there a way in Final cut pro? I would never capture real time through firestore makes the point of having one a bit...pointless! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 16th, 2008, 02:30 PM	#12
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	That doesn't work. If you put them on the timeline they come out mixed! I need to separate them in the bin. I can do it in quicktime but not within FCP. I have put a support request in but nobody has got back to me yet. __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 14th, 2008, 05:32 PM	#2
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	sorry double post

January 14th, 2008, 06:08 PM	#3
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,788 Images: 15	It's all in your capture presets - you can select either stereo pair or dual-mono. Check your capture/import preferences first. If you're simply tranferring QT files then the Firestore has most likely recorded them as a stereo pair. Barry Green is the Firestore expert, he can help you with this much more than I.

January 14th, 2008, 06:16 PM	#5
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,788 Images: 15	Then the FS is recording as a stereo pair. I'm not a FS user so I can't help with any setting changes but I'd imagine the manual talks about any options you may have for audio capture presets.

January 15th, 2008, 09:55 AM	#8
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,788 Images: 15	Outside of a tech support call to Focus, it sounds like you'd need to import the audio into an application like Peak, Deck or maybe even Soundtrack Pro and change the file to dual-mono and then re-import it into FCP. Or, how about connecting the drive and actually capturing it, just as you would with tape. At least that way you could force the audio to be dual-mono on import rather than just transferring files and dealing with the pre-formatted issue. Try contacting Focus directly and see what they say.

January 16th, 2008, 06:47 PM	#13
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	First play the problem clip on the timeline while shutting off audio 1 or 2. Do you get the track separation you want? If you do then it's time to unlink the audio. That is easily done by highlighting the clip on the timeline and pressing "option L". A quartet of pinkish arrows under the clip name will disappear. You now can double click on the clip and the viewer will give you two tabs for the clip's audio instead of one. At this point you might find it helpful to see if the pan is set to "-1" on audio 1 and "1" with audio 2. You might want to play with the pan if these are vocal tracks. Do you want to get rid of one track entirely? Press "shift L" (this deactivates "Linked Selection" on the timeline) and click on the unlinked audio track you don't want. Once it's highlighted just delete. You can reactive "Linked Selection" at this point. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

January 16th, 2008, 07:57 PM	#14
Mike Flynn Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Renton, WA Posts: 94	I have recorded non-mixed audio on the Firestore many times. Your problem lies in either unlinking the audio or making them a non-stereo pair in Final Cut and playing with the pan. You can do this while it is in the timeline. If they are still mixed, then they had to have been mixed in the camera.