Apple Offers Premiere owners upgrade to Final Cut Pro at DVinfo.net

Dean Sensui · July 16th, 2003, 05:06 PM

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/jul/16fcp.html

Starting today through September 20, 2003, Premiere customers have the choice of trading in their disks for a free copy of Final Cut Express or receiving a $500 (US) rebate from the purchase of Final Cut Pro 4

Apple is also offering customers who purchase any new Macintosh® computer the opportunity to purchase Final Cut Express at the same time for just $99 (US)—a savings of $200 (US) from the suggested retail price.

Dean Sensui
Base Two Productions

K. Forman · July 16th, 2003, 05:23 PM

Almost enough to make me want to switch camps... FCP is the only thing I like about Mac.

Scott Silverman · July 17th, 2003, 02:03 AM

Same here Keith. Believe me, it is very tempting to mail in my Premiere CD...

Nigel Moore · July 17th, 2003, 02:22 AM

My AP install disk won't fetch much on ebay, and the value of the DV Collection makes upgrading almost pointless, so I was tempted to get a free copy of FCE to play with. But without keyframing it's little more than a toy.

Jeff Farris · July 17th, 2003, 06:49 AM

Where did you get your info, Nigel?

FCE has keyframing built in.

Quoted from Apple's site:

4. In-Canvas Compositing with Motion Key Frames
Compositing is the technique of layering multiple video tracks to create visual effects. This can mean a simple title card over video or a complicated video montage. Final Cut Express gives you this capability and more, right in the Canvas window. Composite up to 99 layers of video together in a sequence (with nesting, you can have a virtually unlimited number of layers). Then use the intuitive interface of Final Cut Express to control parameters of each layer — things like scale, rotation and key framing. The compositing engine of Final Cut Express includes advanced features like motion paths with Bezier curves, motion blur, time effects and frame blending. This gives you precise control over the location, movement and speed of each video element. Sub-pixel interpolation rendering insures that your video looks great when you’re done. With Final Cut Express, your projects get eye-popping motion graphics.

Nigel Moore · July 17th, 2003, 11:59 AM

I was under the impression that you couldn't keyframe effects and filters in FCE. This came from an FCE/FCP comparison chart that seems to have conveniently disappered...there was a link from the FCE page.

Nor could I see anyway of keyframing effects and filters in this training video: http://www.apple.com/finalcutexpress...er/titles.html

But, then the FCE specs don't mention that these parameters are keyframable, and it's notlike Apple to hide its light under a bushel.

Benjamin Harrison · July 17th, 2003, 07:48 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Nigel Moore : I was under the impression that you couldn't keyframe effects and filters in FCE. This came from an FCE/FCP comparison chart that seems to have conveniently disappered...there was a link from the FCE page.

Nor could I see anyway of keyframing effects and filters in this training video: http://www.apple.com/finalcutexpress...er/titles.html

But, then the FCE specs don't mention that these parameters are keyframable, and it's notlike Apple to hide its light under a bushel. -->>>

Check out the video right after that one on compositing and animation. Keyframes up the ying yang :)

K. Forman · July 17th, 2003, 08:38 PM

Gee... Do we switch camps for FCE? Is it worth going Mac? Arrrrrgh! The pressure! Want... to... keep...PC! Want...FCP!

Jeff Farris · July 17th, 2003, 09:09 PM

Deny the Dark Side and Lord Gates.

(g)

Jeff Donald · July 17th, 2003, 09:28 PM

I hear Bill Gates in the background saying "Keith, I am your Father"

Nigel Moore · July 18th, 2003, 01:19 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Benjamin Harrison : Check out the video right after that one on compositing and animation. Keyframes up the ying yang :) -->>>

For motion, yes. For effects, no. Or at least not as far up the ying yang as I could see. If I want to change a blur over time, how would I do it?

Ken Tanaka · July 18th, 2003, 01:49 AM

From my perspective, as a FCP 4 user and a long-past Premiere (PC) user, this would be one hell of a chance to move up to the full FCP 4. If you spend a substantial amount of time with your editor it's a move you will not regret.

Curtis T. Stoeber · July 18th, 2003, 03:32 AM

It's not like you have to UNINSTALL Premiere from your PC or whatever. I can't figure out why'd you want to keep it though. FCP4 is so worth it.

John Locke · July 18th, 2003, 03:55 AM

Nigel,

There are loads of cheap plug-ins that can do what you want. Joe's Filters is one...and another is CHV-plugins.com.

K. Forman · July 18th, 2003, 05:35 AM

Now you guys are just being mean! Jeff- If he was my Daddy, he owes me a significant back allowance!

July 16th, 2003, 05:06 PM	#1
Dean Sensui Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,054	Apple Offers Premiere owners upgrade to Final Cut Pro http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/jul/16fcp.html Starting today through September 20, 2003, Premiere customers have the choice of trading in their disks for a free copy of Final Cut Express or receiving a $500 (US) rebate from the purchase of Final Cut Pro 4 Apple is also offering customers who purchase any new Macintosh® computer the opportunity to purchase Final Cut Express at the same time for just $99 (US)—a savings of $200 (US) from the suggested retail price. Dean Sensui Base Two Productions

July 17th, 2003, 02:03 AM	#3
Scott Silverman Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cupertino, California, USA Posts: 301	Same here Keith. Believe me, it is very tempting to mail in my Premiere CD... __________________ Scott Silverman Shining Star Digital Video Productions Bay Area, CA

July 17th, 2003, 06:49 AM	#5
Jeff Farris Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 102	Huh? Where did you get your info, Nigel? FCE has keyframing built in. Quoted from Apple's site: 4. In-Canvas Compositing with Motion Key Frames Compositing is the technique of layering multiple video tracks to create visual effects. This can mean a simple title card over video or a complicated video montage. Final Cut Express gives you this capability and more, right in the Canvas window. Composite up to 99 layers of video together in a sequence (with nesting, you can have a virtually unlimited number of layers). Then use the intuitive interface of Final Cut Express to control parameters of each layer — things like scale, rotation and key framing. The compositing engine of Final Cut Express includes advanced features like motion paths with Bezier curves, motion blur, time effects and frame blending. This gives you precise control over the location, movement and speed of each video element. Sub-pixel interpolation rendering insures that your video looks great when you’re done. With Final Cut Express, your projects get eye-popping motion graphics. __________________ Jeff Farris

July 17th, 2003, 07:48 PM	#7
Benjamin Harrison Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 60	<<<-- Originally posted by Nigel Moore : I was under the impression that you couldn't keyframe effects and filters in FCE. This came from an FCE/FCP comparison chart that seems to have conveniently disappered...there was a link from the FCE page. Nor could I see anyway of keyframing effects and filters in this training video: http://www.apple.com/finalcutexpress...er/titles.html But, then the FCE specs don't mention that these parameters are keyframable, and it's notlike Apple to hide its light under a bushel. -->>> Check out the video right after that one on compositing and animation. Keyframes up the ying yang :) __________________ www.badcharacter.com

July 17th, 2003, 09:09 PM	#9
Jeff Farris Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 102	Step into the light, Keith... Deny the Dark Side and Lord Gates. (g) __________________ Jeff Farris

July 16th, 2003, 05:23 PM	#2
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Almost enough to make me want to switch camps... FCP is the only thing I like about Mac.

July 17th, 2003, 02:22 AM	#4
Nigel Moore Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 358	My AP install disk won't fetch much on ebay, and the value of the DV Collection makes upgrading almost pointless, so I was tempted to get a free copy of FCE to play with. But without keyframing it's little more than a toy.

July 17th, 2003, 11:59 AM	#6
Nigel Moore Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 358	I was under the impression that you couldn't keyframe effects and filters in FCE. This came from an FCE/FCP comparison chart that seems to have conveniently disappered...there was a link from the FCE page. Nor could I see anyway of keyframing effects and filters in this training video: http://www.apple.com/finalcutexpress...er/titles.html But, then the FCE specs don't mention that these parameters are keyframable, and it's notlike Apple to hide its light under a bushel.

July 17th, 2003, 08:38 PM	#8
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Gee... Do we switch camps for FCE? Is it worth going Mac? Arrrrrgh! The pressure! Want... to... keep...PC! Want...FCP!

July 17th, 2003, 09:28 PM	#10
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I hear Bill Gates in the background saying "Keith, I am your Father" __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 18th, 2003, 01:19 AM	#11
Nigel Moore Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 358	<<<-- Originally posted by Benjamin Harrison : Check out the video right after that one on compositing and animation. Keyframes up the ying yang :) -->>> For motion, yes. For effects, no. Or at least not as far up the ying yang as I could see. If I want to change a blur over time, how would I do it?

July 18th, 2003, 01:49 AM	#12
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	From my perspective, as a FCP 4 user and a long-past Premiere (PC) user, this would be one hell of a chance to move up to the full FCP 4. If you spend a substantial amount of time with your editor it's a move you will not regret. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

July 18th, 2003, 03:32 AM	#13
Curtis T. Stoeber Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lakewood Colorado USA Posts: 150	It's not like you have to UNINSTALL Premiere from your PC or whatever. I can't figure out why'd you want to keep it though. FCP4 is so worth it.

July 18th, 2003, 03:55 AM	#14
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Nigel, There are loads of cheap plug-ins that can do what you want. Joe's Filters is one...and another is CHV-plugins.com. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

July 18th, 2003, 05:35 AM	#15
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Now you guys are just being mean! Jeff- If he was my Daddy, he owes me a significant back allowance!