NLE Mac / Final Cut questions from 2003

Jean King · October 1st, 2003, 07:43 PM

Hello everyone:
I am needing some input from those of you who teach video editing, particularly to beginner/intermediate learners.
I am pursuing a part-time teaching position in which I would be teaching the basics of editing video using the Apple I-movie software. (the target audience is ages 13 - adult) I would be very interested in learning how some of you plan your syllabus / lessons.

Thanks a lot
Jean King

Bud Kuenzli · October 1st, 2003, 08:38 PM

I have a long reply that is probably better sent via an email. your email address did not resolve properly. if you'd like to send me your email I'll send the information along to you. kuenzli@gci.net

Jeff Donald · October 2nd, 2003, 09:54 AM

Please post your comments publicly also. The whole idea of the community is that all can share in the knowledge of the group. If answers are provided privately, the other members can not benefit.

Ken Tanaka · October 2nd, 2003, 10:55 PM

It looks like Charles' alma mater is moving into the Mac world for their post work. (See the article.)

I think Charles noted something to this effect a few months back.

Charles Papert · October 2nd, 2003, 11:33 PM

Yup. I visited the editors a few weeks back, they are loving life. They were editing on Avids before at fairly high levels of compression, so having DV quality images (the Super 16mm footage is telecined to HD on a Spirit/DaVinci, then downcoverted to DVCam for the offline and Digibeta for the final assembly) is a big plus for them and the executive producer. And being able to take the work home on their 17" Powerbooks is putting big smiles on their faces. It's going to be interesting to see as things develop, whether they will be able to do the onlines inhouse as well as color correction and effects work on Shake.

It was a little strange watching tonight's season opener episode, the first "Scrubs" I had nothing to do with...! My successor, Rich Davis, is doing a great job in my stead.

October 3rd, 2003, 09:55 PM

I wansn't sure if what I need comes with the G5, or if I will need
to buy the $100 adaptor in order to attach a non-apple DVI-D LCD display?

Thanks "Guys",

Dan

James Emory · October 3rd, 2003, 10:18 PM

Hello Charles. I am familiar with conversions and telecine but how are all of these extra steps of video conversion efficient other than portability in a laptop. Why aren't you working on Scrubs anymore?

Alan Tran · October 4th, 2003, 01:11 AM

i dont believe so
the adc adaptor is for powerbooks and older macs using vga

i think..

Jeff Donald · October 4th, 2003, 02:05 AM

The video cards have two monitor connections, one ADC and one DVI. You may purchase adapter to convert DVI to ADC and vice versa. There is also support for mirroring and dual monitors.

Gary Chavez · October 4th, 2003, 07:52 AM

I have DVD Studio Pro 1, fpc 3 and a g-4 with kona card.

i can build and watch the story, but everytime i burn it says not permitted after i burn it.

i am dragging video ts and audio ts to the blank DVD on desktop and then clicking burn disc in finder.

the users manuel is not real clear on this crucial last step, or most likely, its just me.

this is getting expensive!!!!

Jake Russell · October 4th, 2003, 08:37 AM

You will have to choose build & format from dvdsp 1 to write a dvd-video which dragging those folders and clicking burn is not.

If your drive isn't supported you'll need to use Toast Titanium or something. In Toast Ti 5 you'll need to select other > dvd to write a dvd-video and not a dvd data disc.

Becareful though as dvdsp 1 is pretty buggy. Also get a dvd-rw & toast if you want to save a lot of money on those coasters....

Jake

October 4th, 2003, 08:49 AM

thanks guys

Charles Papert · October 4th, 2003, 01:06 PM

Hi James:

They haven't added any steps--they used to have the Digi-Beta master, a Beta dub made for input into the Avid, and a 3/4" made for dailies dubbing, which was done in house and distributed on VHS (I think about 20 copies went out to the various personnel that needed to see dailies). Now they've kep the Digi-beta, switched to DVCam for FCP and the post house makes DVD's of the dailies, so they've saved themselves that step in house.

Again, their goal is to eventually combine the offline and online process by doing most or all of it in house.

I left the show because I've been getting more feature work, and I am moving on from operating to directing. In the meantime I've been dayplaying on other shows as they come up. I loved working on "Scrubs" but episodic television is a grind; 7 months of 13 hour days takes it's toll and I needed to move on.

Rob Lohman · October 5th, 2003, 05:25 AM

Apple has a page here

Istvan Toth · October 5th, 2003, 11:47 AM

I'm desperate
tomorrow I have to bring everyhting to the negative cutter, and I cannot create a quicktime-file because it seems to be too big for the Mac: after 4.95 Gbyte it stopps to convert. The play is 30' so I do need maybe additiona 20% of memory space.

I tried to reduce the quality, the audio (till the horror of 24k, 8bit mono), the resolution 400*300, but the size changes only +/- 5%.

Somebody has an idea?

I'm still using the FCP3 as I didn't want to change during a ongoing project.
Thanks
Istvan

October 1st, 2003, 07:43 PM	#1111
Jean King Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 45	Need Advice on teaching video editing Hello everyone: I am needing some input from those of you who teach video editing, particularly to beginner/intermediate learners. I am pursuing a part-time teaching position in which I would be teaching the basics of editing video using the Apple I-movie software. (the target audience is ages 13 - adult) I would be very interested in learning how some of you plan your syllabus / lessons. Thanks a lot Jean King

October 1st, 2003, 08:38 PM	#1112
Bud Kuenzli Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 197	your email? I have a long reply that is probably better sent via an email. your email address did not resolve properly. if you'd like to send me your email I'll send the information along to you. kuenzli@gci.net __________________ on the Internet, when you get where you're going you still don't know where you are

October 2nd, 2003, 09:54 AM	#1113
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October 2nd, 2003, 10:55 PM	#1114
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	MacCentral: NBC's Scrubs adopts an all Apple solution It looks like Charles' alma mater is moving into the Mac world for their post work. (See the article.) I think Charles noted something to this effect a few months back. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

October 2nd, 2003, 11:33 PM	#1115
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Yup. I visited the editors a few weeks back, they are loving life. They were editing on Avids before at fairly high levels of compression, so having DV quality images (the Super 16mm footage is telecined to HD on a Spirit/DaVinci, then downcoverted to DVCam for the offline and Digibeta for the final assembly) is a big plus for them and the executive producer. And being able to take the work home on their 17" Powerbooks is putting big smiles on their faces. It's going to be interesting to see as things develop, whether they will be able to do the onlines inhouse as well as color correction and effects work on Shake. It was a little strange watching tonight's season opener episode, the first "Scrubs" I had nothing to do with...! My successor, Rich Davis, is doing a great job in my stead. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

October 3rd, 2003, 09:55 PM	#1116
Guest Posts: n/a	Do I need to buy a DVI adaptor for a G5 and a non-Apple LCD? I wansn't sure if what I need comes with the G5, or if I will need to buy the $100 adaptor in order to attach a non-apple DVI-D LCD display? Thanks "Guys", Dan

October 3rd, 2003, 10:18 PM	#1117
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Converting/Downconverting/telecine? Hello Charles. I am familiar with conversions and telecine but how are all of these extra steps of video conversion efficient other than portability in a laptop. Why aren't you working on Scrubs anymore?

October 4th, 2003, 01:11 AM	#1118
Alan Tran Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 121	i dont believe so the adc adaptor is for powerbooks and older macs using vga i think..

October 4th, 2003, 02:05 AM	#1119
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The video cards have two monitor connections, one ADC and one DVI. You may purchase adapter to convert DVI to ADC and vice versa. There is also support for mirroring and dual monitors. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 4th, 2003, 07:52 AM	#1120
Gary Chavez Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 355	HOW DO I BURN THE dvd-r? I have DVD Studio Pro 1, fpc 3 and a g-4 with kona card. i can build and watch the story, but everytime i burn it says not permitted after i burn it. i am dragging video ts and audio ts to the blank DVD on desktop and then clicking burn disc in finder. the users manuel is not real clear on this crucial last step, or most likely, its just me. this is getting expensive!!!!

October 4th, 2003, 08:37 AM	#1121
Jake Russell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 177	You will have to choose build & format from dvdsp 1 to write a dvd-video which dragging those folders and clicking burn is not. If your drive isn't supported you'll need to use Toast Titanium or something. In Toast Ti 5 you'll need to select other > dvd to write a dvd-video and not a dvd data disc. Becareful though as dvdsp 1 is pretty buggy. Also get a dvd-rw & toast if you want to save a lot of money on those coasters.... Jake

October 4th, 2003, 08:49 AM	#1122
Guest Posts: n/a	thanks guys

October 4th, 2003, 01:06 PM	#1123
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Hi James: They haven't added any steps--they used to have the Digi-Beta master, a Beta dub made for input into the Avid, and a 3/4" made for dailies dubbing, which was done in house and distributed on VHS (I think about 20 copies went out to the various personnel that needed to see dailies). Now they've kep the Digi-beta, switched to DVCam for FCP and the post house makes DVD's of the dailies, so they've saved themselves that step in house. Again, their goal is to eventually combine the offline and online process by doing most or all of it in house. I left the show because I've been getting more feature work, and I am moving on from operating to directing. In the meantime I've been dayplaying on other shows as they come up. I loved working on "Scrubs" but episodic television is a grind; 7 months of 13 hour days takes it's toll and I needed to move on. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

October 5th, 2003, 05:25 AM	#1124
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Apple has a page here __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 5th, 2003, 11:47 AM	#1125
Istvan Toth Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Venice-Italy Posts: 52	how can I reduce the file size? I'm desperate tomorrow I have to bring everyhting to the negative cutter, and I cannot create a quicktime-file because it seems to be too big for the Mac: after 4.95 Gbyte it stopps to convert. The play is 30' so I do need maybe additiona 20% of memory space. I tried to reduce the quality, the audio (till the horror of 24k, 8bit mono), the resolution 400*300, but the size changes only +/- 5%. Somebody has an idea? I'm still using the FCP3 as I didn't want to change during a ongoing project. Thanks Istvan __________________ Istvan Toth RED #1161