the silence is deafening...

Dylan Pank · December 22nd, 2004, 02:10 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Mann Z. : edius can edit native mpeg 2 with rt output to a monitor i might add -->>>

Yes, sorry, I forgot about Edius, though I have to say it's not a particularly widespread NLE compared to Vegas, Premiere FCP or the Avids.

Steve Nunez · December 22nd, 2004, 06:49 PM

Can Avid edit HDV on the Mac presently?

Kevin Shaw · December 22nd, 2004, 09:20 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Nunez : Can Avid edit HDV on the Mac presently? -->>>

No, Avid recently announced they will not be releasing their HDV solution (for either platform) until at least next summer.

By the way, I believe all of the following programs can edit a native HDV file:

Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6
Ulead Media Studio Pro with HD plugin
Sony Vegas
Edius Pro 3

Steve Nunez · December 23rd, 2004, 08:32 AM

...and not a single one, a Mac native program.......urghhh!

Thomas Mathai · December 24th, 2004, 04:15 PM

Back when Sony launched the VX-1000, there wasn't any real native support for mini-DV in the beginning.

I see the FX-1 as the first serious HDV camera, and it's only been out for a few months, with just a handful of NLEs to support it.

No surpise that Vegas is one of them, since it is owned by Sony.

I feel this early in the game lack of HDV support is JUST a minor nuisance for real world video work. Early adopters had bought the JVC camera and more people will buy the FX-1. But it hasn't killed of DV yet.

If by mid to late 2005, HDV support isn't there in FCP and the other NLEs then it will be an issue.

I don't see Apple being a late comer to HDV when even Avid and Adobe isn't providing suppport yet.

I also can't see how anyone at Apple Canada has a lot of inside information about what the Final Cut Pro development team is doing in Cupertino.

Apple is in the mist of working on Tiger, especially Core Image and Core Video.

I assume Apple wants to make sure any HDV support they put into Final Cut will work well with Core Video and Core Image.

Canopus and Vegas don't have to deal with any of that.

Harikrishnan Ponnurangam · April 7th, 2005, 12:31 AM

Folks,

I thought of buying a full turnkey system from Apple with finalcutpro HD. When i found it doesn't support HDV formats i backed off and now i'm going to Windows with Sony vegas because i have a FX1. Potential loss of $10k for Apple mac. They have to get their act together and come up with a solution. On hearing my decision the Sales guy was depressed little bit.

Second thought, i saw the demo of FCP and Shake awesome....awesome ..awesome.

Does anybody know FCP...Lumiere HD...Natress Works without any problem?

Please let me know.

Hari

Boyd Ostroff · April 7th, 2005, 06:52 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Harikrishnan Ponnurangam : Potential loss of $10k for Apple mac. They have to get their act together -->>>

I'm sure Steve Jobs is very upset to read this ;-) Seriously... relax and wait a couple weeks to see what comes out of NAB. Apple has been making some very wise marketing decisions and as a sharholder I'm delighted. If they aren't ready to support HDV in FCP HD then I'm sure there's a reason. OTOH, Sony (as a company) is sort of a mess, although they are finally trying to get their act together.

I know we all think HDV and cameras like the FX1 are the most important things in the world, but to a big company like Apple or Sony this is just a tiny piece of the pie.

In January Steve Jobs declared 2005 "The year of high definition video." There's an article in the May MacWorld (p16) about this, and although it doesn't really shed a lot of light on Apple's plans the author concludes by saying "It seems that 2005 is really more like the first year of high definition video."

Let's see what Apple has to show us at NAB...

Kevin Shaw · April 8th, 2005, 01:35 PM

At this point it seems like a safe guess that Apple is leaning more towards DVCProHD as their main low-cost HD production solution, with HDV being a bit of an afterthought for them. Everything about their actions over the past year or so is consistent with this assumption...

Steve Connor · April 10th, 2005, 04:55 AM

FCP will have HDV support, how well it supports it will be the question

Chris Ward · April 24th, 2005, 04:05 PM

What an impatient and ungrateful lot. Look at the incredible track record of final cut pro. Doesn't that tell you anything? You know Apple is working on it, so why not give them some time to work it out?

December 22nd, 2004, 06:49 PM	#17
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Can Avid edit HDV on the Mac presently? __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

December 23rd, 2004, 08:32 AM	#19
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	...and not a single one, a Mac native program.......urghhh! __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

December 24th, 2004, 04:15 PM	#20
Thomas Mathai New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sherman Oaks,CA Posts: 18	Just like old times... Back when Sony launched the VX-1000, there wasn't any real native support for mini-DV in the beginning. I see the FX-1 as the first serious HDV camera, and it's only been out for a few months, with just a handful of NLEs to support it. No surpise that Vegas is one of them, since it is owned by Sony. I feel this early in the game lack of HDV support is JUST a minor nuisance for real world video work. Early adopters had bought the JVC camera and more people will buy the FX-1. But it hasn't killed of DV yet. If by mid to late 2005, HDV support isn't there in FCP and the other NLEs then it will be an issue. I don't see Apple being a late comer to HDV when even Avid and Adobe isn't providing suppport yet. I also can't see how anyone at Apple Canada has a lot of inside information about what the Final Cut Pro development team is doing in Cupertino. Apple is in the mist of working on Tiger, especially Core Image and Core Video. I assume Apple wants to make sure any HDV support they put into Final Cut will work well with Core Video and Core Image. Canopus and Vegas don't have to deal with any of that.

April 7th, 2005, 12:31 AM	#21
Harikrishnan Ponnurangam Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: St.Louis, USA Posts: 145	Final Cut Pro Hd Folks, I thought of buying a full turnkey system from Apple with finalcutpro HD. When i found it doesn't support HDV formats i backed off and now i'm going to Windows with Sony vegas because i have a FX1. Potential loss of $10k for Apple mac. They have to get their act together and come up with a solution. On hearing my decision the Sales guy was depressed little bit. Second thought, i saw the demo of FCP and Shake awesome....awesome ..awesome. Does anybody know FCP...Lumiere HD...Natress Works without any problem? Please let me know. Hari

April 7th, 2005, 06:52 AM	#22
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	Re: Final Cut Pro Hd <<<-- Originally posted by Harikrishnan Ponnurangam : Potential loss of $10k for Apple mac. They have to get their act together -->>> I'm sure Steve Jobs is very upset to read this ;-) Seriously... relax and wait a couple weeks to see what comes out of NAB. Apple has been making some very wise marketing decisions and as a sharholder I'm delighted. If they aren't ready to support HDV in FCP HD then I'm sure there's a reason. OTOH, Sony (as a company) is sort of a mess, although they are finally trying to get their act together. I know we all think HDV and cameras like the FX1 are the most important things in the world, but to a big company like Apple or Sony this is just a tiny piece of the pie. In January Steve Jobs declared 2005 "The year of high definition video." There's an article in the May MacWorld (p16) about this, and although it doesn't really shed a lot of light on Apple's plans the author concludes by saying "It seems that 2005 is really more like the first year of high definition video." Let's see what Apple has to show us at NAB...

December 22nd, 2004, 02:10 PM	#16
Dylan Pank Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 611	<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Mann Z. : edius can edit native mpeg 2 with rt output to a monitor i might add -->>> Yes, sorry, I forgot about Edius, though I have to say it's not a particularly widespread NLE compared to Vegas, Premiere FCP or the Avids.

December 22nd, 2004, 09:20 PM	#18
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Nunez : Can Avid edit HDV on the Mac presently? -->>> No, Avid recently announced they will not be releasing their HDV solution (for either platform) until at least next summer. By the way, I believe all of the following programs can edit a native HDV file: Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6 Ulead Media Studio Pro with HD plugin Sony Vegas Edius Pro 3

April 8th, 2005, 01:35 PM	#23
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	At this point it seems like a safe guess that Apple is leaning more towards DVCProHD as their main low-cost HD production solution, with HDV being a bit of an afterthought for them. Everything about their actions over the past year or so is consistent with this assumption...

April 10th, 2005, 04:55 AM	#24
Steve Connor Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 383	FCP will have HDV support, how well it supports it will be the question

April 24th, 2005, 04:05 PM	#25
Chris Ward Contributor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: New England Posts: 68	What an impatient and ungrateful lot. Look at the incredible track record of final cut pro. Doesn't that tell you anything? You know Apple is working on it, so why not give them some time to work it out?