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Michael Padilla · December 4th, 2006, 08:57 PM

What's the differance in HDV vs. Apple Intermediate Codec?

I am have serious issues when importing HDV information into FCP;
I want to use the 60min tape as a 60min clip and against all options it constantly aborts the footage after each timecode break.

(and yes I have unchecked all the options "start/stop" and prefs selected "warn after..")
SO it should work.. and yes I have also dumped my FCP prefs folder a million times; disk utility; restarted.. etc..

It seems that the only thing that works is when I use the Apple Intermediate Codec instead of HDV..???

So if it works.. what is it? Will there be any issues when editing it in a 24p 1080 sequence?

(Xh-A1 camera by the way)

Theodore McNeil · December 4th, 2006, 09:31 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it may have something to do with the Cannon HDV codec. I remember FCP updates for JVC, Panasonic and Sony but I don't remember a Cannon one.

But somebody may correct me on this. Check the apple site to see if it supports Cannon's HDV codec.

Michael Padilla · December 5th, 2006, 02:49 AM

shouldn't be.. canon has had the xl-h1 out for sometime.. even though the xh-a1 is new!

Someone please fix this!!!! AAAAAAaaaaaaaa.. I wont import any of my footage until this is fixed!

Sergio Barbosa · December 5th, 2006, 05:03 AM

Michael, at least with the JVC Hd100, the only way it will capture natively is by having the *On timecode break-create new clip* selected, otherwise it'll just crash or end the capture.

Greg Boston · December 5th, 2006, 08:51 AM

Make sure you also have your 'Capture Now Limit' set to 60 minutes or more.

That's the only other thing I can think of.

-gb-

Michael Padilla · December 5th, 2006, 12:23 PM

That check box usually isn't even checked so I don't think that applies..

Does anyone else have this problem when using the XH-A1?

I think I am going to take my stuff to the apple store and see what they say.

Perhaps I'll use iMovie HD and see if I have better success there.

Chuck Spaulding · December 8th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Does anyone have an answer for the initial question?

I too am interested in knowing more about Apples Intermediate Codec, what it is and how does it work.

How does it compare to Cineforms Intermediate codec?

Douglas Villalba · December 18th, 2006, 04:22 PM

It has to do with mpg compression. Everytime that you start running tape you introduce a new I frame.
Not a technical explanation, but it is the way it works with native HDV editing.

Rich Dykmans · December 19th, 2006, 12:18 AM

My new little HV10 works flawlessly with FCP 5.1.2 in every capture mode (batch, clip, capture now) as well as to the AIC (which doesn't seem to support batch workflow). The longest clip I captured was over 45 minutes and no hassles. I did have to change the default in the HDV easy setup from Sony HDV FW to Basic HDV FW before it worked properly however.

Drew Curran · December 19th, 2006, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Spaulding

Does anyone have an answer for the initial question?

I too am interested in knowing more about Apples Intermediate Codec, what it is and how does it work.

How does it compare to Cineforms Intermediate codec?

Chuck,
check out this article on AIC and DVCProHD v HDV in FCP. You'll have to register but its free. It offers excellent advice.

http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bi...subscribe.html

Andrew

December 4th, 2006, 08:57 PM	#1
Michael Padilla Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: O.C., CA United States Posts: 337	what's the differance in HDV vs. Apple.. What's the differance in HDV vs. Apple Intermediate Codec? I am have serious issues when importing HDV information into FCP; I want to use the 60min tape as a 60min clip and against all options it constantly aborts the footage after each timecode break. (and yes I have unchecked all the options "start/stop" and prefs selected "warn after..") SO it should work.. and yes I have also dumped my FCP prefs folder a million times; disk utility; restarted.. etc.. It seems that the only thing that works is when I use the Apple Intermediate Codec instead of HDV..??? So if it works.. what is it? Will there be any issues when editing it in a 24p 1080 sequence? (Xh-A1 camera by the way) __________________ -M www.visualmasterpiece.com

December 5th, 2006, 02:49 AM	#3
Michael Padilla Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: O.C., CA United States Posts: 337	shouldn't be.. canon has had the xl-h1 out for sometime.. even though the xh-a1 is new! Someone please fix this!!!! AAAAAAaaaaaaaa.. I wont import any of my footage until this is fixed! Attached Thumbnails __________________ -M www.visualmasterpiece.com

December 5th, 2006, 12:23 PM	#6
Michael Padilla Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: O.C., CA United States Posts: 337	That check box usually isn't even checked so I don't think that applies.. Does anyone else have this problem when using the XH-A1? I think I am going to take my stuff to the apple store and see what they say. Perhaps I'll use iMovie HD and see if I have better success there. __________________ -M www.visualmasterpiece.com

December 18th, 2006, 04:22 PM	#8
Douglas Villalba Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, Florida, USA Posts: 479	It has to do with mpg compression. Everytime that you start running tape you introduce a new I frame. Not a technical explanation, but it is the way it works with native HDV editing. __________________ Douglas Villalba - director/cinematographer/editor Miami, Florida, USA - www.DVtvPRODUCTIONS.com

December 4th, 2006, 09:31 PM	#2
Theodore McNeil Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Centreville, Maryland Posts: 258	I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it may have something to do with the Cannon HDV codec. I remember FCP updates for JVC, Panasonic and Sony but I don't remember a Cannon one. But somebody may correct me on this. Check the apple site to see if it supports Cannon's HDV codec.

December 5th, 2006, 05:03 AM	#4
Sergio Barbosa Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 140	Michael, at least with the JVC Hd100, the only way it will capture natively is by having the On timecode break-create new clip selected, otherwise it'll just crash or end the capture.

December 5th, 2006, 08:51 AM	#5
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Make sure you also have your 'Capture Now Limit' set to 60 minutes or more. That's the only other thing I can think of. -gb-

December 8th, 2006, 12:51 PM	#7
Chuck Spaulding Trustee Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Thousand Oaks Posts: 1,099	Does anyone have an answer for the initial question? I too am interested in knowing more about Apples Intermediate Codec, what it is and how does it work. How does it compare to Cineforms Intermediate codec?

December 19th, 2006, 12:18 AM	#9
Rich Dykmans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Discovery Bay, CA Posts: 138	My new little HV10 works flawlessly with FCP 5.1.2 in every capture mode (batch, clip, capture now) as well as to the AIC (which doesn't seem to support batch workflow). The longest clip I captured was over 45 minutes and no hassles. I did have to change the default in the HDV easy setup from Sony HDV FW to Basic HDV FW before it worked properly however.