Amazing resolution in web video at DVinfo.net

Ernesto Llano · August 3rd, 2006, 10:07 PM

http://www.dvlabs.com/

The video in their front page loads almost instantly, and is only 6MB in size.

Look at that image!

Ken Diewert · August 3rd, 2006, 10:51 PM

Wow!

That's pretty damn good. Thanks for the link. I'm just getting a site built and was getting some bandwith grief. Gonna have to follow up on this. Must be pricy though.

Ernesto Llano · August 3rd, 2006, 11:11 PM

Yeah, I looked more into it and they are using Flash 8.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/flashpro/

They import the edited footage into flash, then export it with a codec called On2-VP6 to a flash video (.flv) file that is then loaded into a flash (.swf) container in the site.

It's like $700. The Sundance short films were put online and apparently used this compression. However, one of the most important factors is that their raw footage must have been either film or HD, so a DV image probably wouldn't look as good.

Definitley beats YouTube compression though.

Ken Diewert · August 4th, 2006, 02:04 AM

For a quick loading flash example - check out this site.

http://www.doublevisionproductions.com

Leigh Wanstead · August 4th, 2006, 02:18 PM

I watched the flash(the link in the first post). It seems quite good.
May I ask how is that compare to wmv mpeg4 v9, divx5.1, h2.64 etc?

TIA

Regards
Leigh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernesto Llano

Yeah, I looked more into it and they are using Flash 8.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/flashpro/

They import the edited footage into flash, then export it with a codec called On2-VP6 to a flash video (.flv) file that is then loaded into a flash (.swf) container in the site.

It's like $700. The Sundance short films were put online and apparently used this compression. However, one of the most important factors is that their raw footage must have been either film or HD, so a DV image probably wouldn't look as good.

Definitley beats YouTube compression though.

Emre Safak · September 6th, 2006, 09:43 PM

Flash 8's VP6.2 codec supposedly ranks alongside Microsoft's WMV9 and trails behind H.264, according to the enthusiasts at doom9.

I also looked at the DVLabs video, and discovered that it is 760x412 @ 25 fps (you can tell it is European!) The video is 29 seconds and 7.34MB, so unless I made a mistake, that makes for a bit rate of 2Mbps. Hardly what you would call tight compression!

Bill Schoaf · September 6th, 2006, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernesto Llano

They import the edited footage into flash, then export it with a codec called On2-VP6 to a flash video (.flv) file that is then loaded into a flash (.swf) container in the site.

Is that how it loads so quick?

I have been messing with Flash 8 for the past couple weeks testing compression and ending file sizes compared to Windows Media Encoder.

Mark Utley · September 7th, 2006, 02:02 AM

I made a post in this forum about it, but I've been pretty impressed with the DivX 6.3 web player. There's a Youtube-like community called Stage6 where these videos can be uploaded and shared. You can even upload 720p. Unfortunately, you have to download the web player but it's a very small file.

More information: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=74864

Scott Jaco · September 7th, 2006, 11:58 AM

The footage looked great and had minimal compression artifacts.

One issue I have is the frame rate. It looked like 15 fps rather than 30 which would give a full motion look.

Impressive.

Kevin Shaw · September 7th, 2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Jaco

One issue I have is the frame rate. It looked like 15 fps rather than 30 which would give a full motion look.

I was thinking the same thing while watching it: looks like 15 fps. If the bit rate is around 2 Mbps then the quality isn't all that surprising, but the load time is.

Bill Schoaf · September 7th, 2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw

I was thinking the same thing while watching it: looks like 15 fps. If the bit rate is around 2 Mbps then the quality isn't all that surprising, but the load time is.

That's what gets me Kevin, the load time. The quality is nice but the load time is REAL nice. I will have to test at work tomorrow where we have the slowest T1 line (fractional) in the history of lines. Might be slower than dial-up sometimes. If those videos load that quick at work, then I may have to dig a little more into how.

August 3rd, 2006, 10:07 PM	#1
Ernesto Llano Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 39	Amazing resolution in web video http://www.dvlabs.com/ The video in their front page loads almost instantly, and is only 6MB in size. Look at that image!

August 3rd, 2006, 10:51 PM	#2
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Wow! That's pretty damn good. Thanks for the link. I'm just getting a site built and was getting some bandwith grief. Gonna have to follow up on this. Must be pricy though. __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

August 4th, 2006, 02:04 AM	#4
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	For a quick loading flash example - check out this site. http://www.doublevisionproductions.com __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

September 7th, 2006, 02:02 AM	#8
Mark Utley Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 479	I made a post in this forum about it, but I've been pretty impressed with the DivX 6.3 web player. There's a Youtube-like community called Stage6 where these videos can be uploaded and shared. You can even upload 720p. Unfortunately, you have to download the web player but it's a very small file. More information: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=74864 __________________ Mark Utley

August 3rd, 2006, 11:11 PM	#3
Ernesto Llano Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 39	Yeah, I looked more into it and they are using Flash 8. http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/flashpro/ They import the edited footage into flash, then export it with a codec called On2-VP6 to a flash video (.flv) file that is then loaded into a flash (.swf) container in the site. It's like $700. The Sundance short films were put online and apparently used this compression. However, one of the most important factors is that their raw footage must have been either film or HD, so a DV image probably wouldn't look as good. Definitley beats YouTube compression though.

September 6th, 2006, 09:43 PM	#6
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Flash 8's VP6.2 codec supposedly ranks alongside Microsoft's WMV9 and trails behind H.264, according to the enthusiasts at doom9. I also looked at the DVLabs video, and discovered that it is 760x412 @ 25 fps (you can tell it is European!) The video is 29 seconds and 7.34MB, so unless I made a mistake, that makes for a bit rate of 2Mbps. Hardly what you would call tight compression!

September 7th, 2006, 11:58 AM	#9
Scott Jaco Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 471	The footage looked great and had minimal compression artifacts. One issue I have is the frame rate. It looked like 15 fps rather than 30 which would give a full motion look. Impressive.