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James Emory June 27th, 2007 11:18 PM

Flash video keyed over webpages
Does anyone know if it is custom software that does what the website below offers? Or can it be done by shooting video with a green screen and encoding the video in flash with a transparent background?



Giroud Francois June 28th, 2007 02:26 AM

the transparent video is dead easy with flash since ver 8 and the On2 VP6 codec supporting alpha keying.
if you go the old way, you simply need to create a supplemental keying mask.

it is well explained here

James Emory June 29th, 2007 02:11 AM

Thanks for that info. It was very informative. However, it didn't specifically mention how to create a finished product like on that site. It did say that player controls could be hidden or placed in different locations but nothing about the player frame not being visibile like on that site.

Giroud Francois June 29th, 2007 10:09 AM

this a matter of fiddling with flash object properties in html code
then you can have it floating over a web page , reacting to mouse moves , popping up at defined place or time etc....
or another way

or look at this

Ger Griffin June 29th, 2007 11:15 AM

i think people are underestimating this area. this is in my opinion the biggest step towards convergence (merging of tv and internet) we as users/developers can make.
sure the need for faster speeds is always going to be there but we arent using the speeds we have to full potential yet. this way we could try.
to make a website fully alive with video would be a nice challenge if you could do it.
i suppose you'd need to be fully fluent in flash and more which im not. but i did try this a while ago on my site im playing with (i have a very basic level of html, i cant even write code). it allowed me to take elemets of the design and run it through the video playing with an invisible skin.

Jon McGuffin June 29th, 2007 01:29 PM

This is really good stuff. I agree with the post above that this is a far underutilized in current content. I'm going to move forward to try and implement these techniques..

Giroud Francois June 29th, 2007 03:02 PM

that is the perfect example that it is not the tools you use that gives good results, but rather the way you use it to be creative.
nice page

Dana Salsbury June 30th, 2007 09:44 AM

Nice point Giroud.

I'm struggling with the unsolicited sound thing. I HATE sites that play sound without permission, and my own site breaks that rule!

I was especially impressed with the Trace Atkins example, how he walks in front of the html: http://www.innovateads.com/ex-online...okesperson.php

Is it possible to play the first or a few frames of a video without sound and ask permission to proceed with sound?

Also, what is the best & cheapest way to convert wmv to flash? I'm leaning toward Swishzone: http://www.swishzone.com/index.php?a...&product=video

Ger Griffin June 30th, 2007 03:28 PM

thanks for those comments.

dana i used the macromedia flash encoder. i looked into some other ones but i was led to believe that in this case you get what you pay for in terms of compression quality:filesize , but dont quote me on that.

the invisible skin works great.
its what kicked me off thinking about this.
if it would be possible to hide the player controls
as well we'd be on a real winner.
also when the video isnt moving it looks
quite good quality and would seemlessly blend in with a web page.

one could arrange all sorts of surprises, frights etc if one could cue various video clips to play at different times.

what comes to mind is those basic flash sites when they distract you by asking you to read something or count something then bring up a scary picture with sound to scare the living crap out us.

to use that approach but only on a small part of a page and in a professional, non scary manner would make a great site - if ye know what i mean.

Dana Salsbury July 1st, 2007 11:52 AM

Clippy Syndrome
What makes me sad it the feeling that I get when I see these virtual people appear to tell or sell me something. They remind me of Clippy, the paper clip that annoys me to no end when I'm trying to get help on a Word document. Even when you try to kill Clippy he plays a cutsy animation while he dies. Go away Clippy. You're slowing me down Clippy! I hate you Clippy!!

I'm stoked to learn this, but I want to find apps that won't give me Clippy Syndrome. Some possibilities: Celebrity sites, Dating sites (i.e. singles pay x amount for video interview), Political Canditate sites, Product Demonstration...[Help me brainstorm]

It seems that the only time I would be interested in listening to Clippy people is if I want to listen emotionally. When I'm online, I want to see facts, not wait for someone to finish talking. I can read much faster than listen. That eliminates factual web sites.

The other thing is how similar these are to pop-ups. People hate pop-ups. Clippy people might be more successful if they didn't walk onto the screen, but were already there as an image you could click on. They might walk off in the end, but you wouldn't feel like they were a pop-up at the beginning.

Ger Griffin July 3rd, 2007 06:28 AM

yea, clippys a scumbag!

but i suppose im talking more about allowing video to sit in with a webpage invisible until it shows up.

im gonna do some more on it in the next couple of weeks on my wedding page. will post when ive something to show.

David Hurdon July 26th, 2007 01:27 PM

I hadn't seen www.innovateads.com but I have run across www.hdmedia.ca and www.onsitevideos.com, both of which are "powered" by a company called Humanize The Web. HDMedia are in Toronto, where I'm located, and recently won a contract with Wal-Mart Canada to put a transparent spokeperson on their site to pre-sell the next Xbox. I agree that this has to blow up soon. I've played some with it myself, lacking any real background in Flash but having figured out the basic steps required. I put a short clip on a site from which I sell a DVD-Video documentary - www.toronto-island.com
It lacks player controls but I'm hoping it's short enough to get away with that, and it's a site that gets almost all unique visitors, as there isn't much reason to come back once you've bought or decided not to.

I also want to add my congratulations to Ger on a lovely web page - beautiful work!

David Hurdon

Jon McGuffin July 26th, 2007 10:08 PM

Excellent job David, I thought that was really well done on your site.

Ger Griffin July 27th, 2007 01:36 PM

Thank you David.
Thats good solid work yourself.

One of my problems is I get so carried away that in a typical job I may find myself with 100's of layers spanning 10seconds with 59mins50secs left to fill.

I've been working on my weddings webpage and got some help from a few lads here on removing the player.
see wedding dvd banner at top:

My initial intention was to put as much video on the page as I could but on testing with the home pc it really struggled to play any more than 2 video files on the one page at the same time. I think it could be a gamble to expect a page of this nature to play smoothly on every pc- at the moment.

David Hurdon July 27th, 2007 01:44 PM

That's a mesmerizing effect, Ger. Almost put me into a trance. Mind you, this time on a Friday I'm not far from it anyway. A great weekend to all.

David Hurdon

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