XL-H1a/fs-cf pro
 

In reading about ways to record to tapeless on an XL-H1a, it seems like the fs-cf pro could be a good and not-too-expensive solution, but I haven't found much written about it since it was first introduced.

Has this become an accepted solution? I gather I wouldn't get the benefit of bypassing compression offered by Nono Flash or Ki Pro Mini because of the outputs on the XL-H1a.

Anyone?

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I have a FS-CF Pro that I use with my Canon XHA1 and HV20 cams. The only thing to consider is if you are shooting in QuickTime format, you must have a current version of Final Cut Pro.
I am not yet experienced enough with ClipWrap to convert it to a format that iMovie or Final Cut Express will read.
Adobe Premier Elements 9 will read the files saved in m2t format with no problems.

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Ed...

Have you found that the FS-CF Pro was worth the extra $? I have an XH-A1 and am just a couple of days away from ordering either the CF Pro or H200 pro. The big advantage I have read is the ability to do 30F. Any other great benefits of the CF with the XH? Everyone's out of stock now on the CF, but the H200's can be found, and more affordably.

Thanks, in advance!

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Derek,
For the type of shooting I do (oral history interviews, aviation air-ground/air-air documenting) I have not yet put the -CF Pro preview mode to much use. I keep shooting until the battery is almost totally exhausted or the 32GB CF card (about 2h+45m) is full, then download to a laptop. I purchased the -CF Pro to have the flexibility to review when the need arises.

I really do like the unit. The ability to download the file(s) via Firewire 800 saves a lot of time compared to the real time tape downloads. I don't anticipate purchasing new cameras anytime soon, so the purchase of the -CF Pro was a lower cost solution to replacing tape. I usually record to both the CF card and tape for the backup it provides.

I see 128GB Lexar CF cards are selling for $245 now, so the savings continue to add up.

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Hi Chris, I just received a FS-CF from Adorama.... they are being phased out; so I figured I would try it first, and decide on the 2nd unit, and if I'd like to switch this unti out. I was kinda curious about battery life. I'll shoot some footage tomorrow morning. I also got the BEC-DVCAMB/HD camera bracket for my XHA1S. It is solid, and using a little velcro, mounts easily on the bracket. We have 2 cameras, so I am trying this prior to ordering the 2nd; but so far, the BEC bracket is a total winner! Fits in my Portabrace Backback case with the FS-CF mounted (on the inside of bracket)

Derek, if you are using a mac, the clips will load right into FCP, no problems. The H200 will require converting before you can use em'

Adorama still has a few of the standard FS-CF units left.... but they are running scarce!

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Thanks, Ed / David...

Ah, so the non-Pro version of the CF is being phased out, I am guessing, not the whole CF category. All of the online docs I can find on the H200 do not show the ability to record in 30F, which is about all I ever use. David, it looks like you are using the non-pro version... what format are you recording in, and can it do 30F?

I am PC-based (Sony Vegas Pro 10), so m2t's or MOV's work just fine. I am currently using the xh with a FS4-HD that has started glitching a bit; luckily, I use tape backups, which saved me on my last shoot. The m2t's have always imported just fine, but I am now working with another editor with FCP, so I have to re-encode to MOV's for his future use.

My main goal is to record at 30F MOV, and it looks like the CF series is all that does that? Just trying to find the cheapest way to get that format.

Thanks

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Hey Derek,

I have it set to QT and HDV, and it takes on the format I have entered on my XHA1S, I use 24F; but it will do 30F as well. From Canon: the recorder supports 1080 24F, 25F and 30F, 50i and 60i frame rates, both in QuickTime and M2T file formats; Basically matches the Canon XH formats.

I don't like the inability of being able to add metadata.... basically drop and drag clips over, they are ready to use. They just don't allow you to add any info. Perhaps if I turned off the wrap thing and capture as M2T clips, I may be able to enter info through FCP log and transfer; but thats the Mac thing. I probably will send this back and go with the Pro version.

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Derek, I just tried shooting some clips as M2T, and FCP still doesn't recognize them when trying to Log and Transfer. How does Vegas handle metadata info?

I have an old FS4-HD also, I am considering dropping a SSD drive in it; but not sure what to do about the battery. I guess it is a little limited on frame rates.

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Much thanks for the in-depth info, David!

I haven't had a need to use Vegas' metadata, until now. We're doing more corp shoots where, instead of manually logging good takes, it might be nice to build it in to the clips.

The ability of both the CF & CF Pro to do 1080/30F is a deal maker for me; now I just have to decide if the on-screen clip playback ability and couple of other goodies on the pro are worth the extra few hundred+.

I also saw your other thread http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/focus-en...-h200-pro.html mentioning Focus will is upgrading to an iPod type of scroll wheel. One would imagine the FS-CF Pro would get the same upgrade soon... there must be a reason for the rapid changeover.

Thanks, again...

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Well Derek, if the playback isn't that big of an issue, you may find the non-pro version a plus. But I'm with you on the metadata info, I do a number of promos, and it would be so nice to at least log some basic info in advance!

I've attached a picture of the unit I have. It does appear to have the scroll wheel; much like the earlier iPods. East to navigate, much more than the FS-4HD!

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Looks like the pic on Focus' site shows the updated wheel:

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I would think it would be an adjustment to remember to hit the FS record button instead of or in addition to the DV record start on the XH. It's a lot cheaper than buying the FS300, for example, but it would be something to get used to. What's that experience like? The FS-CF Pro seems to add some new format options also (DV Raw?).

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If you are recording eternal control mode, it starts the unit when hitting the camera record button. No TC shows up in viewfinder; but it shows time remaining on card, and red dot for recording....

Not sure how to change this when recording. I had it set to ext; but needed to change a tape without stopping recording. Couldn't figure it out. Will have to red the manual a little more.

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Do you set the FC to external mode or the XH?

It's good to get that from an actual owner. That's different from what the chat guy at B&H told me:

Bryan R: you can capture footage when the camera is recording or not
Bryan R: As the Canon FS-CF Pro has its own record button
Tim Trott: So they operate independently such that the XH-A1 record start button does not control the FS?
Bryan R: correct, and vice versa

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Yeah Tim, The Sony HVR MRC1K DTE Recorder allowed you to toggle this control while rolling. I imagine there may be something like that on the FS-CF.

I have the camera set on DV Control ON, there is only one setting...
and the FS-CF on Control: External SO, the BH guy was actually correct, you can control through the camera, or independent. Just not sure about toggling when you are using one method or the other...

BTW, I use the BEC-DVCAMB-HD bracket to mount the FS-CF on my Canon XHA1S (Sony EX1 - EX3 Bracket Panasonic HVX200 High Definition Video Camera Accessories The BEC Group it makes it a little right side heavy; but a very solid braket, adding weight towards the back of the camera. I may try to counterbalance it a little.... somehow!

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I saw where they have a handle mount bracket (a bit rich at $100) but I normally mount an LED light or my Azden wireless receiver on the top shoe and I'm concerned the FS would be in the way. It wouldn't make it off balance, at least. I would expect the off-balance thing would also get in the way of any kind of glide-cam/steady cam activity.

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Yes, definitely, however, typically, a glidecam would mount directly to the camera.... without any brackets. The top handle mount adds the additional weight to the already front heavy camera. If I could do aluminum welding.... I could make the perfect bracket for this camera!! So far, I really like this bracket!

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My balance comment was related to the weight distribution comment (right side).

I came up with a custom attachment that gives me a cold shoe mount on the left below the LCD screen, which is where I put either a light or the wireless receiver, depending on the situation.whether I need direct or indirect on-camera lighting ("run and gun" and people wearing glasses, for example). It attaches between the camera and a monopod or fig-rig style holder, for example using a male/female screw in with a rubber gasket that I stumbled into.

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Thanks everyone for your help on the XL-H1a/FS-CF Pro question.

I've been off the grid for several days and and am new to forum-ing as well... wonderful support.

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Tim, do you think you could post a photo or two? Would love to see what you describe.

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No problem Chris, I was actually getting a little concerned that there weren't any others contemplating the FS-CF DTEs... with the XH cameras. I am liking it so far... will be upgrading to the Pros next week.

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The main element is one of these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/179985-REG/Sony_VCTS30L_VCT_S30L_Cold_Shoe_Adapter.html which I picked up at a garage sale or something. The screw on most monopods doesn't seem to be long enough to feel safe so I ran across a strange male/female adapter with photo threads to solve that problem (shown in the inset below). I use this rig in a kind of run-and-gun mode for interviews at trade shows (YouTube - Resnet 2011 - PENTAIR).

I also came up with a nifty little dolly rig using parts from a "granny" walker I spotted in a thrift store for $10. YouTube - Granny-Cam walker Dolly - It's for doing real estate videos. I'm planning on trying it out on a condo shoot in the next week or so. I have used a DIY fig rig, a monopod with a 5 lb dumbbell weight on the bottom and various other steadycam/merlin concepts with limited success.

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OK, I bought the FS-CF Pro and I'm facing the problem that started this thread. I'm thinking in the area of a holster meant for a two-way radio, but so far none of them are wide enough. The firewire cable that comes with the FS-CF Pro is OK for on camera mounting but too short to be practical for pocket or holster carry, but I have another cable for that. A top shoe mount idea doesn't seem practical, considering the size and weight of the FS-CF Pro.

Having trouble getting the wi-fi "dongle" to work also. They have templates for Avid and FCP, but not Premiere so far...

To be continued....

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I had gotten a floor model from Adorama; but noticed a few problems after a couple weeks and returned it. I have been impressed with the bracket I ordered from the BEH group (DVCAMB-HD) It was a little pricey; but gives great areas for the FS-CF, and a wireless. Velcro is what I use. I will order another FS-CF, this time a new one though. Plan on getting a Pro as well.

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I bought the Pro from B & H and a sheet in the manual said to install the latest software from the Focus web site. After I installed it, the menu was gone and I had to send it back to B&H for replacement. I found the thumb wheel difficult to work. Before I messed it up by following instructions it made good video. The Firewire cable it came with is a bit short unless the unit is close to the camera, but not any further than that. I'll check out the bracket you suggested. I also thought about maybe modifying a holster form a two-way radio.

I got the wi-fi "dongle" and had problems keeping it connected when going to different menus. It has te
mplates for TCP and Avid but not for Premiere. Focus said they've had some issues with it. I guess some of those issues still need to be worked out, hopefully in the next firmware update.

Like everyone with a large DV tape camera investment, I'm trapped by the fact that computer manufacturers have sadly abandoned fireware, although I am looking forward to escaping the real-time downloads. It's pretty much the Focus or another $6,000 investment. The other DTE's either don't seem that impressive or don't like Canon rigs. Is that your view?

That's as far as I got. It seems like a sturdy, albeit a tad heavy. I'm wondering if I would have been happier with the hard drive (not pro) version instead.

I had occasion to talk to the people from the factory and they're open and nice to talk to, which is a welcome change from dealing with overseas support.

When I get it all together I'm thinking about doing one of those "open the box and try it out" YouTube things.