EX1 or XL_H1A - Page 2 at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > High Definition Video Acquisition > General HD (720 / 1080) Acquisition

General HD (720 / 1080) Acquisition
Topics about HD production.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old October 12th, 2009, 11:41 PM   #16
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sonoma, CA
Posts: 336
they'll probably come out with something eventually, but by then the RED Scarlet will be out and it won't really matter LOL.

For now, EX1/EX3 takes the cake as far as I'm concerned!
Trevor Meeks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 13th, 2009, 12:17 AM   #17
Major Player
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: A Canadian in San Pedro de Atacama, Chile
Posts: 262
Trevor:

Have you shot any weddings with your EX? If so, did you not have problems with black fabrics and camera flashes?
Les Nagy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 13th, 2009, 04:52 AM   #18
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sonoma, CA
Posts: 336
nope, i stay away from weddings, etc as far as film work goes - I only do that for the photography side of my business.

We shoot the EX1 on a redrock micro M2 Encore 35mm adapter for promos, shorts, and documentary work. I can't really comment on the black fabric thing - haven't really noticed any issues. I just know the EX1 is like 200 times more awesome to work with than the XH-A1 and XL-H1 haha

A little pic of my rig:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/...ca872aa3_o.jpg


Enjoy!
Trevor Meeks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 13th, 2009, 08:18 PM   #19
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 79
Wow, what is that ugly alien?!!
;)

Do you think your EX1 is much better than XL-H1 even when you shoot with EX1 on 1440 and not full HD?
Mitchell Yazdani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 13th, 2009, 08:30 PM   #20
Major Player
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 775
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevor Meeks View Post
nope, i stay away from weddings, etc as far as film work goes - I only do that for the photography side of my business.

We shoot the EX1 on a redrock micro M2 Encore 35mm adapter for promos, shorts, and documentary work. I can't really comment on the black fabric thing - haven't really noticed any issues. I just know the EX1 is like 200 times more awesome to work with than the XH-A1 and XL-H1 haha

A little pic of my rig:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/...ca872aa3_o.jpg


Enjoy!
The EX1 certainly isn't 200 times more awesome :)

I enjoy my Canon XL H1s very much and I think the image really is quite nice out of it. I had the EX1, but ultimately stayed in the Canon line.

I guess to each is own...
Michael Galvan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 13th, 2009, 10:38 PM   #21
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sonoma, CA
Posts: 336
just as an FYI - i wasn't saying that it's literally 200 times more awesome, i just said that it was 200 times more awesome to work with. I adapted to the use of the camera much quicker, and i feel that I have a lot more control over it than with the canon cameras - and that's coming from a die-hard pro canon still camera fanatic.

just sayin... :)
Trevor Meeks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2009, 02:12 PM   #22
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 1,866
I've used both cameras extensively, even together on multi-cam shoots, XH-A1 and EX1.

The XH-A1 came out before the EX1 but it is still a really great camera, especially at 60i, where the native 1440x1080/60i is visually almost as detailed as the EX1 at 1920x1080/60i. It's very close, and arguably less noise from the 25mbps HDV than even the EX1 35mbps HQ, due to resolving a sensor with fewer photosites to manage. At 60i, they end up being very close to each other in resolving power, both around 800 lines.

At 24p, it's a different story, there the EX1 resolves better than 1000 lines, and the Canon gets out-matched. So depending on the intended frame rate, the XH-A1 or XL-H1 can nearly match the EX1 (for 60i), of lag significantly (for 24p).

I found the depth/breadth of control on the Canon very good, nearly as deep as the EX1, lacking only in adjustable knee, gamma, but still very good with color matrix controls, black and pedestal. The audio capability of the EX1 is much more comprehensive.

The most notable advantages of the more expensive EX1 is that it electronically eliminates color fringing, chromatic abberations which are a problem at some focal lengths for the Canon, and the low light is 3-4 stops more sensitive. On the other hand, you have to watch for the CMOS rolling shutter artifacts and jello-cam tendencies with the EX1.

But in general, the XL-H1 holds it's own very well, definitely capable of clean HDTV, and significantly better detail and resolving power than any of the Video DSLRs including the Canon 5DMkII that I also own, while losing out on the expected shallow depth of field and low light performance of the DSLR.
Tom Roper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2009, 03:47 PM   #23
Major Player
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 552
I shoot Weddings and own two XHA1's but also shoot with an EX1, I love my A1's but would go the EX1. Main reason is the low light capability of the EX1 is loads better and in a Church or reception that can make a shot.

If you want tape I would go with a Sony Z7 again it is better than the Canon in low light....

or if you can wait, Canon may finally pull there finger out and come out with an EX1 competitor but I wouldn't hold your breath!
Jonathan Shaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12th, 2009, 04:33 AM   #24
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Cornwall UK
Posts: 793
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchell Yazdani View Post
Hi,

I do wedding video productions with my partner, we are used to XL1s, PC, Canopus and Premiere 1.5. We are changing to HD but after doing lots of research and investigation we got more confuse, which one to buy?

Canon XL-H1A or EX1?
Canon XL-H1A is 1440 x 1080i @ 25mbs HDV
Sony EX is up to 1920 x 1080 @ 35mbs HD
Go for the EX, far better cam all round, and the workflow is awesome.
__________________
Colin
Colin Rowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 16th, 2009, 04:53 AM   #25
Trustee
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Malvern UK
Posts: 1,931
Quote:
Weddings are one off never to be able to be re-shot never can fail situations. In this case it is my humble opinion that tape still has it over solid state in that tape is its own backup. Capture the event on tape and then capture from the tape for editing and final production. Put that inexpensive tape on the shelf and know it is good for many years without issues. The same can't be said about solid state yet and archiving it is definitely not as easy, or it isn't as cheap.
I disagree. Solid state is much more reliable during the actual recording of the event. With solid state you don't have to worry about humidity issues (going from cold rainy outdoors into a warm indoor setting for example, or vice versa). Solid state doesn't have any mechanical parts to go wrong, so chewed tapes are a thing of the past. Further to that unlike tape which can have drop outs at the most inconvenient of times, solid state doesn't have this issue either.

If you really want tape to sit on the shelf (you shouldn't. Standard tape isn't an archive device) then if you recorded HDV to solid state you can then copy that footage back to HDV tape if you like. Or use a hybrid camera that records to both tape and solid state.

However, I am not sure why you say solid state can't be put on a shelf. It can, and in fact San Disk are working on SD cards that are said to be good for 100 years or so. Once the price on that type of memory comes down tape will be made totally redundant.

As for which camera to go for, it all depends on budget. Personally I would go for the EX. The picture quality is leaps and bounds ahead of the Canon, and you have a lot more versatility with the controls. With regard to the blacks issue, don't forget that the EX1R corrects issues such as that.
Simon Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 19th, 2009, 09:43 AM   #26
New Boot
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Essex, England
Posts: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Moretti View Post
I believe the "black fabric problem" is caused by infared light affecting the sensor. So visible black is not always recorded as black b/c infared light is stimulating the sensor. I know the Red camera also has this problem.

There are a number of filter soultions for this, but none seem to be perfect, FWICT.
The RED One has a known issue with infrared light and there are filters and hot mirrors to deal with this.

In the case of the EX3 (as well as the F23 and F35) it's apparently the result of the sensor's broadband colour dyes reacting to far red light which our eyes can't see; the part of the red spectrum between infrared and what's in our visual range. Infrared light isn't a problem on the Sony cameras (or at least that's how I understood it). Tiffen have manufactured a filter that blocks far red light though.
Nic MacDonald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25th, 2009, 05:13 AM   #27
Major Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: British Isles
Posts: 415
The remedy for the far red contamination on the EX-1 and EX-3 hails in the form of a Tiffen T1 IR Filter. This makes the blacks much richer in certain fabrics apposed to the red mushy brown colour that once prevailed.

The EX1R as mention has fixed that problem.

As for solid-state media, I love it and its total reliable when using Pro SxS Memory Cards. The third party cards such as the MxR adaptor that take SDHC can occasional cause problems even though I havenít found this to be myself.

If I was shooting weddings then Iíd probably have a couple of EX1R or EX-3ís as I prefer the form factor.

Iíve not shot with the Canon so canít comment about them. But I will say that Iím so glad I no longer need to think about tapes. Someone mentioned that solid state media is more expensive. I disagree as long term you make a cost saving.
Paul Inglis is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > High Definition Video Acquisition > General HD (720 / 1080) Acquisition

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:54 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network