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Old August 4th, 2005, 01:58 PM   #1
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Has anyone ever ACTUALLY had a dropout?

You hear about it as being HDV's #1 downfall but I've never heard anybody say they've had a dropout, yet.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 02:10 PM   #2
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Yes.

My first project with my FX1 I shot about 23 hours of footage over 2 months. I had two instances with dropouts, both as bad as they say (about 15 frames lost).

Both were during interviews and I had to edit around it.

It was a little hassle, but considering the amount of footage I shot I was surprised to only have two.

Since that project I've shot at least another 20 hours with the camera and have had no dropouts.

So, to me it's a very minimal issue that I don't even worry about.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 03:50 PM   #3
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I've had two glitches where the video dimmed visibly for no apparent reason, but other than that nothing yet like a 15-frame dropout. Two weeks ago my brother and I shot several hours of footage on two Sony HDV cameras using standard miniDV tapes, and so far we haven't seen anything that looked like a dropout. I'd call this a neglible issue for most purposes, and if you're really paranoid you'll soon be able to record HDV directly to a Firestore hard drive.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 04:14 PM   #4
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Yes I've had 15-frame freezups. One in camera recording, and several more when outputting footage back to tape. It can happen at either time.
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Old August 5th, 2005, 08:14 AM   #5
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You hear about it as being HDV's #1 downfall but I've never heard anybody say they've had a dropout, yet.
Downfall??? Nah - methinks its the ones who don't standardise on tapes that get these problems.

To date, nearly 94 hrs with FX1 and 18 with Z1 and not one drop out. I also only use my tapes once. I NEVER use a tape twice unless I'm farting about and testing.

Just factor the cost of the tapes into your pricing

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Old August 5th, 2005, 09:27 AM   #6
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Downfall??? Nah - methinks its the ones who don't standardise on tapes that get these problems.

To date, nearly 94 hrs with FX1 and 18 with Z1 and not one drop out. I also only use my tapes once. I NEVER use a tape twice unless I'm farting about and testing.

Just factor the cost of the tapes into your pricing

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This could be. I use TDK tapes, 6 for $16 at Costco. I've used them in every camera I've had since starting my business.

For the price, I'll deal with 2 dropouts per 50+ hours of footage. ;)
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Old August 5th, 2005, 10:28 AM   #7
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I used Sony Premium tapes only, never re-use them and I always make sure my camera is stored less than 50% humidity environment (but, more than 40%). Use a de-humidifier in your storage room!

Also, buy some of those "silica" packs for your camera case. I learned about humidity problems way back when I used to be in a rock band. Always watch the humidity with equipment, guitars etc....and your camera too!
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Old August 5th, 2005, 01:58 PM   #8
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This could be. I use TDK tapes, 6 for $16 at Costco. I've used them in every camera I've had since starting my business.

For the price, I'll deal with 2 dropouts per 50+ hours of footage. ;)
Probably the reason why you have few dropouts - if any.

My choice though are the Sony premium tapes - call me brand loyal :)

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Old August 5th, 2005, 04:34 PM   #9
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Had a couple of dropout, recaptured the footage and it worked!

Finished cutting 3x 100 minute concert videos shot on 5x Z1s.

I had 2 dropouts in one of the shows (there were probably more but I didn't see them, they would have been on angles that weren't 'on' during the dropout)

I recaptured the affected parts of the tapes where these dropout occured, and it sorted the problem. Dropout appeared as picture and sound freeze, much longer than 15 frames though - nearer 30 frames.
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Old August 6th, 2005, 05:18 PM   #10
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Only problems I've had where with the Cineform codec crapping out on some frames. Very annoying to go back and recapture a whole segment because of a couple frames here and there.

As far as the camera dropping out on me, only 6hrs shot so far and no drop outs.

EDIT: Adobe Premiere's Cineform codec, not the latest version from Cineform.

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Only problems I've had where with the Cineform codec crapping out on some frames. Very annoying to go back and recapture a whole segment because of a couple frames here and there.

As far as the camera dropping out on me, only 6hrs shot so far and no drop outs.
Kyle, without taking the thread off-topic...have you downloaded the latest version of CineForm? I've not had any probs with v 1.7 or 1.8.

I've also shot over 100 hours of HDV at this point with multiple cameras, and the only drop out I've had was more or less intentional, mounting a Z1 to the front of a motorcycle that jumped a distance of 60 feet. I also had 2 dropouts on the A1u, but that could be from the fact that it's a prototype/preproduction model, or could be that I was using cheap walmart tape, as I didn't ahve any DM tape on the road w/me.
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Old August 7th, 2005, 05:06 PM   #12
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Kyle, without taking the thread off-topic...have you downloaded the latest version of CineForm? I've not had any probs with v 1.7 or 1.8.
I should have mentioned with Premiere's version of the codec. Cineform has cleared up the problem in their later version.
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Old September 19th, 2005, 12:00 PM   #13
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I have only used Sony Premium and their HDV tapes in my FX1 for the last year. I haven't had any dropouts yet.

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