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Old March 8th, 2010, 07:56 PM   #1
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Regarding the trial version of Neo booster.

I downloaded the trial version of Edius Neo 2.5 (booster?) and I have a couple of questions/observations.

1. Put together a short presentation of several AVCHD files from my Sony SR11. Looks good on my computer, but I want to burn it to a DVD as an AVCHD DVD and then judge the results. From what I can see, I can only burn BR disks from this trial version. Is that right? Is there any way to create an AVCHD DVD from this program? I want to see how much rerendering this program does when producing an AVCHD DVD and compare it to other programs I already have.

2. The trial version that I have is missing a couple of key components: a help button with "help" topics, and any kind of instructions on how to use the program. So far, I have muddled my way through, making many mistakes, in figuring out how to use this product. Is this something not included on the trial version?

3. Not real easy to find functions/features. Have to search and guess alot. Not real intuitive. Took three times as long to put a program together than what it should have because I couldn't readily find what I needed. Spent a lot of time doing things the long way because I couldn't figure out or find a way to do those things the correct/easy way. Is the regular program like this, or is this just a "trial" thing?

4. How many varieties of titles, transitions, chapter/menu looks and other features, does this program have? Does it include any free music?

I presently own Pinnacle 12 and Nero. Pinnacle has spoiled me in that the tools are easily found, and there is a nice variety to choose from. The problem with Pinnacle (there are a few) is mainly that it rerenders AVCHD a lot and therefore produces an inferior AVCHD picture. Nero, while it produces a better final AVCHD video picture, is packaged with less tools/toys, and isn't as easy to work with. If only I could have the picture quality of Nero with the tool bundle of Pinnacle.

I was hoping that Edius would be that package to satisfy my wants. So far, I can't tell with the trial version.

Mike

PS. I am really bummed that after putting a nice demonstration video together, I can't burn an AVCHD DVD (or any DVD for that matter).

PSS. I am working with a PC.
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Old March 8th, 2010, 09:50 PM   #2
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Mike,

I received a copy of Edius Neo Booster with my camera, so I cannot speak about the specifics of the trial version. But I can help with a couple of your questions.

What you can burn with Edius depends a lot on your project settings. If you make an incorrect choice then some disc burning functions are disabled. I do not have the ability to burn a blu-ray formatted DVD with mine either (just blu-ray disks).

There is no help file. The help button just opens the pdf manual - you can download the manual from the grassvalley website.

I too found Edius a bit non-intuitive when I started with it. After some time with it I think the workflow and behavior is fine. It has some clear limitations, but its ability to handle AVCHD is unrivaled.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 03:44 AM   #3
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in the Edius DVD creator, go to style tab and push the DVD button in the Ouput section

by default, the Blu-ray button is selected

Export to DVD or Blu-ray from Edius5 timeline
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Old March 9th, 2010, 07:23 AM   #4
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The DVD button is non-functional. I will change my settings and see if that helps. Be back later.

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Old March 9th, 2010, 08:15 AM   #5
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So far, I have changed the settings three times from 1980x1080, to 1440x1080, to 960x720. When on the 960 setting, I can't burn any disk. When on either 1920 or 1440, the DVD disk is nonfunctional (only the BR is functional). What else can I do?

Is there a way I can export my file from this program to Nero? I hate to do that since I originally wanted to compare Neo to Nero, and this won't do it. But I hate to lose the file I have created.

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Old March 9th, 2010, 08:37 AM   #6
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Mike,
If you are asking how to burn a blu-ray AVCHD formatted disk to DVD; that is what I cannot do either. However, if you just want to burn a standard MPEG2 DVD then your project settings must be correct. The easiest way to get that is to start with the DVD preset (its 720x480 60i and clearly has DVD in its name). There is a way to change project settings, but depending on what you started with you may not be able to change to suitable project settings.

If you do figure out how to burn a blu-ray on DVD (normally good for around 17 minutes of HD video); would you post the information back here.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 07:03 PM   #7
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Well, I am frustrated and completely stumped. It is my opinion that Edius Neo will not let me burn an AVCHD DVD, no matter what settings I select. This is a deal breaker for me. So much for Grass Valley and Edius.

Too bad. I had high hopes.

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Old March 10th, 2010, 02:08 AM   #8
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Well, I am frustrated and completely stumped. It is my opinion that Edius Neo will not let me burn an AVCHD DVD, no matter what settings I select. This is a deal breaker for me. So much for Grass Valley and Edius.

Too bad. I had high hopes.

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the worldwide DVD standard required mpeg files on the DVD, you can't place AVCHD files on a DVD

Edius does not care what is on the timeline, DVD creation will always be possible providing the project setting is interlaced and not progressive

I am using Ediu5 and not Neo, maybe Neo is different in that regard but it should not be

when you open DVD creator and go to movie tab, your movie size should be listed as 720x480 for NTSC or 720x576 for Pal, it does not matter if the timeline is HD or SD

the only thing that matters is that the project setting must be interlaced
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Old March 10th, 2010, 07:14 AM   #9
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I understand Mike's point of view. Most of the consumer NLE's will make an AVCHD disc on a 4.7G DVD disc as will Sony's Motion Browser software that comes with the Sony cameras. It is not a DVD as per the spec but will play on a Bluray player with menus. I have not checked whether Neo or Edius will make a Bluray on a 4.7G disc which some other NLE's will do. For most of my AVCHD I have just gone to MPEG2HD as being easier on my system to encode and then just burned to Bluray.
What is interesting is that the Vegas Pro9 that came with my NX5U will not re encode to 24Mbps rate of the original but only the 16Mbps!!!

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Old March 10th, 2010, 01:51 PM   #10
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Hey Ron, good to hear from you.
You are most correct regarding NLEs that can burn AVCHD onto a DVD. I have done that with Pinnacle, Nero, and Corel. Was hoping I could also do that with Neo, and compare the results. Pinnacle seems to "downrez" or rerender quite abit, while both Nero and Corel seem to do it less. From what I had read about Neo, I was hoping that the end product (AVCHD on DVD) would be even better, but I'll never know it seems.

A question for you.... I have also downloaded Corels' Videostudio Pro X3. Do you have any opinion on that product? Please PM me since this thread is about EDius.

Thanks.
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Old March 12th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #11
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Mike,
If you are asking how to burn a blu-ray AVCHD formatted disk to DVD; that is what I cannot do either. However, if you just want to burn a standard MPEG2 DVD then your project settings must be correct. The easiest way to get that is to start with the DVD preset (its 720x480 60i and clearly has DVD in its name). There is a way to change project settings, but depending on what you started with you may not be able to change to suitable project settings.

If you do figure out how to burn a blu-ray on DVD (normally good for around 17 minutes of HD video); would you post the information back here.
I don't have a BR burner, so I cannot burn any BR disks, nor is there any way that I know of for burning BR on a DVD. The closest I can come is to burn AVCHD on a DVD.

I did finally figure out how to transfer a video file from Neo to another program. And I learned that the reason Neo will not burn to a DVD, is that the bit rate is too high for the DVD (I think). Therefore Neo will only burn to BR. When transferring a video file from Neo to another program, the resulting video when burned finally to a DVD (as AVCHD) is very slightly jerky (can be seen on pans); just a tab. I assume it is due to the difference in bit rates between BR and what can be put on a DVD in AVCHD. I could be wrong but thats what I'm going to believe.

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Old March 13th, 2010, 04:14 AM   #12
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ok, if you really want to cheap skate and destroy HD quality by saving a hamburger, here is how to do it

encode to blu-ray folder from Edius with max bitrare ate 15mbps and then burn with Nero Burning Rom to DVD-R by choosing UDF 2.5 instead of automatic (you need the latest Nero9 burning Rom)

ideally, use BD-R disks and BD-R burner
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Old March 13th, 2010, 12:31 PM   #13
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Thanks Anton. Actually I prefer to think of it as having priorities in life, rather than taking the cheap skate route. And a BR burner is a bit down the list. Someday....

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Old March 14th, 2010, 03:20 AM   #14
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Hi Mike, I'm a refugee from Vegas, which in my case currently has issues running mixed footage on quad cores. I've also been trying out the trial version of Neo. It does burn DVDs. NTSC DVDs are 480X720. Coming from Pinnacle to Neo is a very big step which would be very hard to do on your own. There is actually a manual downloadable from the TGV website, but you have to search for it. In the last few years, some consumer packages have come a long way - for the single operator, there now may be no advantage to getting the pro version. Although Neo is very impressive, you might also like to look at demos for two others - Magix Movie Edit Pro and Video Pro - both have multi camera support, a stabilizer, secondary color correction, a really cute travel plotter and to me a more intuitive interface than Neo (I don't have any connection with the company)

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