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Old December 4th, 2018, 01:46 PM   #16
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I think they just sent that letter to EVERY video company in the phone book is what it was. Carpet bomb the country with scary letters and see what shakes out. I was just a work-at-home dad making DVDs for weddings, school plays, dance recitals. I lost some sleep over it for a few nights, all worried someone was coming after me for some evil wrongdoing. Then I came to my sense and realized they were fishing. Never heard from them again.

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Old December 4th, 2018, 01:50 PM   #17
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So you don't even know for sure if it was legitimately from MPEG LA?
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Old December 4th, 2018, 04:26 PM   #18
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So you don't even know for sure if it was legitimately from MPEG LA?
Yes, it definitely was from MPEG LA, it was official letterhead and such
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Old December 4th, 2018, 05:08 PM   #19
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it was official letterhead and such
No one could ever fake a letterhead!
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Old December 5th, 2018, 01:38 PM   #20
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Gary,

Your posts all seem adversarial, to me and others. I don't know what you're getting at.

I'm stupid? I've been duped?

I got the letter, it was real, I lost sleep over it at the time.

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Old December 5th, 2018, 01:52 PM   #21
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I got the letter, it was real, I lost sleep over it at the time.
You got a letter, not sure if it was real or not. You don't remember what it said exactly, I cannot find evidence of anyone else getting such a letter, and you sure don't seem to have posted anything about it. Did it even purport to be from MPEG-LA? Perhaps you're misremembering what you got claiming to be from the MPAA instead?

You're responding to a post that is based on an irrational fear that using any camera that shoots H.264 or H.265 might open an operator up to legal action. You responded with a claim that you cannot verify, backup, or even demonstrate was even from the group in question. Doing something like that is, in my opinion, FUD and contributes nothing of value. Until you can demonstrate evidence that MPEG-LA was, indeed, going around sending threatening letters to small operators like yourself in order to get some payouts, and knowing the human memory is absolutely not reliable, I'm not going to let your little anecdote go unchallenged.
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Old December 5th, 2018, 02:04 PM   #22
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What is your deal? I never said I "wasn't sure" if it was real or not, that's you.

This was about 18-20 years ago, because still at my old home when I was a full-time videographer.

I received a letter from MPEG LA explaining that they were in charge of handling the MPEG-2 rights and royalties and that if I was producing MPEG-2 videos, I was supposed to be paying them.

I'd never heard of them before, so you can bet I looked them up online and found that yes indeed, they were in charge of that stuff. I at first thought I was being singled out, like they "caught me" or something, but I came to realize they were likely sending out thousands of these letters to videographers all over the country. So I simply did not respond. End of story.

It was NOT a scam, it was from MPEG LA. It did NOT instruct me to get $400 worth of Green Dot cards from Walgreen's in the next 4 hours or face arrest.

I don't get why you are being so weird about this whole subject. Basically calling other people liars or something.
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Old December 5th, 2018, 03:32 PM   #23
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Gary becomes adversarial in many of his posts. I have found it best just to ignore him.
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Old December 5th, 2018, 05:59 PM   #24
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So what, exactly, is the takeaway from your post? Are you recommending that people refrain from utilizing any cameras that record to a codec that MPEG-LA holds the patent on? If not, why not?
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Old December 5th, 2018, 06:19 PM   #25
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Agreed re Gary. Enough.

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Old December 6th, 2018, 02:24 AM   #26
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You're responding to a post that is based on an irrational fear that using any camera that shoots H.264 or H.265 might open an operator up to legal action.
No he is not! It is not an irrational fear, it is a notice in the GoPro manual, in a prominent place, warning that the licence is limited. My question was what do others do about this, not when can I expect to be arrested by the patent police.:-)
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Old December 6th, 2018, 10:04 AM   #27
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My question was what do others do about this, not when can I expect to be arrested by the patent police.:-)
You've already heard from Andrew that DVD distributors in Australia were driven out of business by the MPEG-LA licensing fees. You read that Jeff was sent a letter letting him know that he might owe royalties, which he lucked out on by simply ignoring and not consulting with a lawyer.

I think what you and others should do is very clear. Not use a GoPro for anything other than home movie captures. It's just too risky.
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Old December 6th, 2018, 10:24 AM   #28
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Gary, I was making a point, not asking the question again. But thanks anyway.
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Old December 6th, 2018, 10:47 AM   #29
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You are literally left with only a single option, I was making that more clear than before.
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