Problem with BluRays discs at DVinfo.net

Marius Boruch · November 10th, 2009, 08:06 PM

I am using Sony Architect to burn BD (mpeg 25MB files); my customers and I have problems playing them; I upgraded firmware in my Samsumg Bd P1400 (I know it is not a newest model but firware is from 09'2009 so it supposed be up to date. The disc will freeze and stop playing after 50% of the content is reached; it is scary... what seems to be the problem????

Ron Evans · November 11th, 2009, 07:55 AM

What is the burning software( or did you use DVDArch as you imply), medium and burn speed? Did you verify after burn? What is the size of the files on the disc? Audio format?

Ron Evans

Jon Geddes · November 11th, 2009, 08:17 AM

Have you tried lowering the bitrate below 20 mbps?

Burned media cannot sustain the same data rate as pressed media. I would try and stay around 20 mbps, do not exceed 25 mbps.

Also, make sure you are not burning the disc at too fast of a speed, this can also cause problems like you are describing.

Marius Boruch · November 11th, 2009, 09:33 AM

I use Sony Architect (part of sony vegas) and their templates - average bitrate approx 22MBS and MPEG compression, AC3 audio; burning speed 2X; would switching to AVC format help??? Is AVC more friendly for other BD players (since it would be compressed at 15MBS???) share your experience, please.

Jon Geddes · November 11th, 2009, 10:08 AM

Use h264 for best quality. You might want to try lowering the bitrate a little and see if that helps... maybe it spikes up at some point in the video?

Also, what brand of media are you using?

Jim Snow · November 11th, 2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Geddes

Burned media cannot sustain the same data rate as pressed media. I would try and stay around 20 mbps, do not exceed 25 mbps.

Also, make sure you are not burning the disc at too fast of a speed, this can also cause problems like you are describing.

These are both symptoms of marginal quality media. With DVD media, Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden are widely respected as high quality DVD media. Inferior brands almost guarantee problems. Unfortunately, there isn't a very clear "body of knowledge" regarding the good, the bad and the ugly brands of Blu-ray recordable media. As for my own experience with Blu-ray media, I have found no problems with Verbatim Blu-ray media and dismal success with Ritek. During the course of next year, I suspect that the picture will become more clear.

Ron Evans · November 12th, 2009, 02:50 PM

Let DVDA create an iso file rather than burning a disc. Then burn with Nero on good quality disc as others have suggested. I have had no problems with Vegas encodes using the 25Mbps template which uses average of 25Mbps, max of 30Mbps and min of 18Mbps. For long ( 2hour 40 min ) programs I have kept max at 30Mbps, average 21Mbps and min 16Mbps with no failure after many discs.
Burning with DVDA may have given you some buffer under run problems that a specific burning program like Nero will avoid by buffering the data rate to the drive better. DVDA uses a generic driver and likely runs at max speed. I never let DVDA burn the disc.
Ron Evans

Marius Boruch · November 12th, 2009, 02:59 PM

thanks Ron, I will try Nero (which Nero version burns BD?)

Ron Evans · November 12th, 2009, 04:22 PM

I use Nero 8 but I know that the latest is Nero 9 I think. I really don't need any more than I have so have not upgraded. Most of the additions have nothing to do with burning discs.

Ron Evans

November 10th, 2009, 08:06 PM	#1
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Problem with BluRays discs I am using Sony Architect to burn BD (mpeg 25MB files); my customers and I have problems playing them; I upgraded firmware in my Samsumg Bd P1400 (I know it is not a newest model but firware is from 09'2009 so it supposed be up to date. The disc will freeze and stop playing after 50% of the content is reached; it is scary... what seems to be the problem????

November 11th, 2009, 07:55 AM	#2
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	What is the burning software( or did you use DVDArch as you imply), medium and burn speed? Did you verify after burn? What is the size of the files on the disc? Audio format? Ron Evans

November 11th, 2009, 08:17 AM	#3
Jon Geddes Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seal Beach, California Posts: 68	Have you tried lowering the bitrate below 20 mbps? Burned media cannot sustain the same data rate as pressed media. I would try and stay around 20 mbps, do not exceed 25 mbps. Also, make sure you are not burning the disc at too fast of a speed, this can also cause problems like you are describing.

November 11th, 2009, 09:33 AM	#4
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	I use Sony Architect (part of sony vegas) and their templates - average bitrate approx 22MBS and MPEG compression, AC3 audio; burning speed 2X; would switching to AVC format help??? Is AVC more friendly for other BD players (since it would be compressed at 15MBS???) share your experience, please.

November 11th, 2009, 10:08 AM	#5
Jon Geddes Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seal Beach, California Posts: 68	Use h264 for best quality. You might want to try lowering the bitrate a little and see if that helps... maybe it spikes up at some point in the video? Also, what brand of media are you using?

November 12th, 2009, 02:50 PM	#7
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Let DVDA create an iso file rather than burning a disc. Then burn with Nero on good quality disc as others have suggested. I have had no problems with Vegas encodes using the 25Mbps template which uses average of 25Mbps, max of 30Mbps and min of 18Mbps. For long ( 2hour 40 min ) programs I have kept max at 30Mbps, average 21Mbps and min 16Mbps with no failure after many discs. Burning with DVDA may have given you some buffer under run problems that a specific burning program like Nero will avoid by buffering the data rate to the drive better. DVDA uses a generic driver and likely runs at max speed. I never let DVDA burn the disc. Ron Evans

November 12th, 2009, 02:59 PM	#8
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	thanks Ron, I will try Nero (which Nero version burns BD?)

November 12th, 2009, 04:22 PM	#9
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	I use Nero 8 but I know that the latest is Nero 9 I think. I really don't need any more than I have so have not upgraded. Most of the additions have nothing to do with burning discs. Ron Evans