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Old March 26th, 2007, 08:25 PM   #1
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Which HDV editing program do you use?

Hello.

I am wondering what others on this forum use for editing/capturing there HDV videos with.

I have a Canon HV20, and use Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 for capturing and editing my videos.

What programs do you like or think are the best?

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Old March 26th, 2007, 09:22 PM   #2
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I have Pinnacle studio 10, Ulead media Studio Pro 8, Avid Liquid 7, and Sony Vegas 7.

They all have their pros and cons but of those I find Sony Vegas to be the all round best fit. It's a powerful program and I find it to be a well organized interface. Liquid is quite good but IMO... the interface is no where near as well put together as Vegas.... of course this is just my opinion... I'm quite sure others have theirs.
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Old March 27th, 2007, 09:00 AM   #3
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Canopus Edius here. The interface takes a little getting used to and some feel it's missing a few advanced features, but it works smoothly with 1080i HDV footage on my new laptop. I'm also going to experiment with Premiere Pro and maybe take another look at Vegas.
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Old March 27th, 2007, 09:58 AM   #4
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Premiere Pro 2.0 with CineForm.

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Old March 27th, 2007, 11:25 AM   #5
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Jacob,

With PPo 2.0 and the HV20, you are a perfect candidate for the BMD Intensity card. For $249 you get HDMI import (digital) but more importantly, you can capture directly to a variety of higher quality codecs than HDV. It will give you a more fluid and higher quality post production workflow.

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Old March 27th, 2007, 12:53 PM   #6
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Jacob,

With PPo 2.0 and the HV20, you are a perfect candidate for the BMD Intensity card. For $249 you get HDMI import (digital) but more importantly, you can capture directly to a variety of higher quality codecs than HDV. It will give you a more fluid and higher quality post production workflow.

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Thanks for telling me about this.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

I can record to MiniDV tapes. Plug my camera into the card on my computer, and record in full 1980X1080 format from the tapes through the HDMI input/output.

Is this correct?
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Old March 27th, 2007, 01:07 PM   #7
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Thanks for telling me about this.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

I can record to MiniDV tapes. Plug my camera into the card on my computer, and record in full 1980X1080 format from the tapes through the HDMI input/output.

Is this correct?
Yes. For timecode/machine control you will use f/w and the video input will be through HDMI.

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Old March 27th, 2007, 02:11 PM   #8
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Hello.

I am wondering what others on this forum use for editing/capturing there HDV videos with.

I have a Canon HV20, and use Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 for capturing and editing my videos.

What programs do you like or think are the best?

Thanks!
Hi Jacob

I use PP 2.0 also .............. and will have an HV20 this week.

How does PP2.0 play for you and your HV20???? Are you using Cineform?

Thanks
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Old March 27th, 2007, 02:31 PM   #9
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Thanks for telling me about this.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

I can record to MiniDV tapes. Plug my camera into the card on my computer, and record in full 1980X1080 format from the tapes through the HDMI input/output.

Is this correct?
Yes. For timecode/machine control you will use f/w and the video input will be through HDMI.

-gl
No, George, that's incorrect. Once the video has been captured to tape, there is absolutely *no* advantage to be gained by capturing the contents of the tape through HDMI: it's only upscaling the already-compressed HDV 1440x1080.

If you capture directly to the computer through the Intensity card, then you'll bypass the HDV compression and get the benefit of choosing an alternative codec (such as uncompressed, Cineform, MJPEG, etc.).
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Old March 27th, 2007, 03:01 PM   #10
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No, George, that's incorrect. Once the video has been captured to tape, there is absolutely *no* advantage to be gained by capturing the contents of the tape through HDMI: it's only upscaling the already-compressed HDV 1440x1080.

If you capture directly to the computer through the Intensity card, then you'll bypass the HDV compression and get the benefit of choosing an alternative codec (such as uncompressed, Cineform, MJPEG, etc.).
This NOT about avoiding HDV compression completely. This is a discussion about general workflow and avoiding HDV for post production is a good idea. By using the Intensity card, you can save a step by transcoding real time into a decent codec for post workflow.

If you want to avoid HDV compression in total, you should be looking at a different camera.

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Old March 27th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #11
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Hi Jacob

I use PP 2.0 also .............. and will have an HV20 this week.

How does PP2.0 play for you and your HV20???? Are you using Cineform?

Thanks
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I am not using Cineform. I have never used it before, but I am thinking of downloading the trial version.

Premiere captures 1080i for me without any problems. After capture, I am surprised with the performance that Premiere gives me when working with HDV clips. I was expecting slower performance then what I am getting.

Working with 1080 24p clips in premiere is not as easy as 1080i. I do not like the fact that there is no template for capturing and working with HDV 1080 24p.

Also, I do not think there is a way to remove pulldown from HDV 24p clips in premiere as well. I have removed pulldown from Canon 24p clips with TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress, but no luck so far with premiere.
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Old March 27th, 2007, 07:45 PM   #12
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This NOT about avoiding HDV compression completely. This is a discussion about general workflow and avoiding HDV for post production is a good idea. By using the Intensity card, you can save a step by transcoding real time into a decent codec for post workflow.
Oh, I see what you're saying now. I didn't realize that today's hardware/software wasn't powerful enough to decode HDV while encoding to a decent codec in real time.

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If you want to avoid HDV compression in total, you should be looking at a different camera.
Why? The HV20 and Intensity provide over 800 lines of resolution in uncompressed 4:2:2 for just $1,350. I think there are plenty of other reasosn to buy a more expensive camera, but avoiding HDV is not one of them.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 03:18 AM   #13
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SpeedEDIT here. It blazes through HDV like it was DV. :)
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Old March 28th, 2007, 10:20 AM   #14
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Is there such a thing as a HDMI hard drive recorder?

I have seen some portable HD recorders, but they all use firewire as input.

I wonder if they make one that uses HDMI as an input.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 10:32 AM   #15
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By using the Intensity card, you can save a step by transcoding real time into a decent codec for post workflow.

If you want to avoid HDV compression in total, you should be looking at a different camera.

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George, I use Sony Vegas7 for editing and transcoding. I didn't see the intesity acrd listed on Sony's site for supported hardware, but only the much more expensive Decklink cards shown.

Do you happen to know if Vegas supports teh Intensity card as well?
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