GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC

Glen Vandermolen · April 2nd, 2012, 07:01 AM

Where do you see 10-bit in the FS700 specs? Everywhere else says it's an 8-bit output.

Also, the JVC cam IS under $5,000. It lists at $4,995 at B&H. It records 4 channels of 36mbps AVCHD to make 4K. It can also record regular HD at 1080/60P at 27mbps. Isn't that AVCHD 2.0?

Steve Mullen · April 2nd, 2012, 01:31 PM

I don't see a Sony spec for the 3G HD-SDI output. The German is Google translated as "IF."

They also don't say S-log.

The F65 RAW is 10-bit S-log from 16bits off the sensor.

Sony may well define 8-bit RAW for the FS700. It might or might not be S-log. If S-log, it's about equal to 10-bit non-log data.

Steve Mullen · April 5th, 2012, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen

Also, the JVC cam IS under $5,000. It lists at $4,995 at B&H. It records 4 channels of 36mbps AVCHD to make 4K. It can also record regular HD at 1080/60P at 27mbps. Isn't that AVCHD 2.0?

By under, I'm not talking about LIST at $4995, but a "street price" at B&H closer to $4495. Typically, JVC allows a significant discount. Unless, the MSRP is much higher and B&H uses LIST to mean "their" price.

It does not record AVCHD when in 4K mode. It uses 36Mbps H.264.

Glen Vandermolen · April 5th, 2012, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

By under, I'm not talking about LIST at $4995, but a "street price" at B&H closer to $4495. Typically, JVC allows a significant discount. Unless, the MSRP is much higher and B&H uses LIST to mean "their" price.

It does not record AVCHD when in 4K mode. It uses 36Mbps H.264.

B&H lists the price at $4,995.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/839193-REG/JVC_GY_HMQ10U_GY_HMQ10_4K_Compact_Handheld.html

Ah, gotcha on the 4K. It is H.264/ MPEG4. This is the same codec for their smaller PX10, which also uses the Falconbrid engine. Is it better than AVCHD?

Steve Mullen · April 5th, 2012, 10:06 AM

AVCHD is a "brand" of H.264. Likely, JVC could not get AVCHD 2.0 upgraded to 3.0 and include 36Mbps. Or, more likely, they didn't want to, thereby giving them an advantage in bit-rate.

I need to check if 36Mbps uses the same encoding "tools" as does 28Mbps. I would expect it does.

PS: Interesting that 1080p60 edited in FCP X and Shared to BD automatically keeps the frame rate but changes the frame size to 720. Smart. However, export via Compressor and you can create a 1080i30 BD.

I keep being blown away by the PX10 clarity. I expect a 4K version, which would be far more affordable. (JVC showed the PX in case with the HMQ10 at several shows.)

Glen Vandermolen · April 5th, 2012, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

I keep being blown away by the PX10 clarity. I expect a 4K version, which would be far more affordable. (JVC showed the PX in case with the HMQ10 at several shows.)

Do you have a PX10? I'm interested in getting one. JVC is coming out with the GX1, which has the same size chip as the HMQ10 and PX10, but records in AVCHD 2.0. I like the 300fps record speed, even if it is in SD.

Steve Mullen · April 5th, 2012, 07:16 PM

The PX10 is $900. Although I have no real reason for 4K I'd be pi**ed off if I later learn JVC released a 4K version for about $1500.

I only think this might happen is because I saw the PX in the glass case with the HMQ10 at NAB 2011.

But, it must have 4 SD card slots and 4 HDMI's. I not sure I see how these will fit on the PX. So maybe I'm wrong.

But, I have no need to make any decision before NAB.

PS: I note that the PX10 is NOT sold at the JVC store.

Glen Vandermolen · April 5th, 2012, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

The PX10 is $900. Although I have no real reason for 4K I'd be pi**ed off if I later learn JVC released a 4K version for about $1500.

I only think this might happen is because I saw the PX in the glass case with the HMQ10 at NAB 2011.

But, it must have 4 SD card slots and 4 HDMI's. I not sure I see how these will fit on the PX. So maybe I'm wrong.

But, I have no need to make any decision before NAB.

PS: I note that the PX10 is NOT sold at the JVC store.

HD Memory Camera - GC-PX10 - Introduction

It's listed under "HD Memory Cameras," not "Camcorders." JVC considers it a hybrid DSLR-camcorder.
I think it's placed with the HMQ10 under glass because both use the Falconbrid engine.

Steve Mullen · April 6th, 2012, 04:38 PM

Did you actually try to buy one from the shop? When I try, it sends to a list of on-line dealers.

Glen Vandermolen · April 6th, 2012, 04:41 PM

Oh no. If i do buy one, it will be from one of our SITE SPONSORS!

Steve Mullen · April 6th, 2012, 05:10 PM

I mean did you follow the link? It only leads to a list of on-line sellers. No JVC Cart. It's not IN the JVC store.

Steve Mullen · April 9th, 2012, 11:29 PM

JVC has posted the HMQ10's utility. Alas, not a single sample. And, I can't ger the UL sample to work because it doesn't -- I think -- have the right folder structure with thumbnail.

OT -- I've been watching many 16mm/Super8 transfers to HD -- while thinking at going back to film with a cheap film camera. You can buy fantastic film cameras -- cheap.

Oddly, my reaction is that -- except for Tri-X with it's wonderful grain -- the old days weren't so great. Yes, the cameras were totally manually which I long for. But, there is NO detail unless one chooses certain Super8 camcorders and film stock. Switching to 16mm helps -- as expected -- but gets expensive.

Perhaps because I used to shoot Tri-X for photos and movies -- I'm tempted to say there are conceptually two "modes" -- non-realism (shoot Super8 film and xfer to HD) or realism (shoot 1080p60 with a PX10 or 2160p60).

Buying a film grain package is an option. :)

Pavel Sedlak · May 14th, 2012, 01:38 PM

A short sample from JVC HMQ10E (record 1080/50i), 3:50 min.

http://www.videoproduce.cz/images/JV...i_test_50i.m2t (640MB)

(normal gamma, gain 0/6/12dB and some color correction)

Pavel Sedlak · May 17th, 2012, 03:35 AM

New version of the JVC HMQ10E's footages with color levels ITU 709 on youtube.

test 4K kamery JVC HMQ10E (record 1080/50i), úrovn? barev pro TV (ITU 709) - YouTube

Wacharapong Chiowanich · May 17th, 2012, 08:36 PM

You could have had even better result shooting in Quad-1080/50p (4k) mode. Still the best looking interlaced clip I've seen on YouTube. Excellent camera for the money.

April 2nd, 2012, 07:01 AM	#31
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC Where do you see 10-bit in the FS700 specs? Everywhere else says it's an 8-bit output. Also, the JVC cam IS under $5,000. It lists at $4,995 at B&H. It records 4 channels of 36mbps AVCHD to make 4K. It can also record regular HD at 1080/60P at 27mbps. Isn't that AVCHD 2.0?

April 2nd, 2012, 01:31 PM	#32
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC I don't see a Sony spec for the 3G HD-SDI output. The German is Google translated as "IF." They also don't say S-log. The F65 RAW is 10-bit S-log from 16bits off the sensor. Sony may well define 8-bit RAW for the FS700. It might or might not be S-log. If S-log, it's about equal to 10-bit non-log data. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

April 5th, 2012, 10:06 AM	#35
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC AVCHD is a "brand" of H.264. Likely, JVC could not get AVCHD 2.0 upgraded to 3.0 and include 36Mbps. Or, more likely, they didn't want to, thereby giving them an advantage in bit-rate. I need to check if 36Mbps uses the same encoding "tools" as does 28Mbps. I would expect it does. PS: Interesting that 1080p60 edited in FCP X and Shared to BD automatically keeps the frame rate but changes the frame size to 720. Smart. However, export via Compressor and you can create a 1080i30 BD. I keep being blown away by the PX10 clarity. I expect a 4K version, which would be far more affordable. (JVC showed the PX in case with the HMQ10 at several shows.) __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

April 5th, 2012, 07:16 PM	#37
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC The PX10 is $900. Although I have no real reason for 4K I'd be pi**ed off if I later learn JVC released a 4K version for about $1500. I only think this might happen is because I saw the PX in the glass case with the HMQ10 at NAB 2011. But, it must have 4 SD card slots and 4 HDMI's. I not sure I see how these will fit on the PX. So maybe I'm wrong. But, I have no need to make any decision before NAB. PS: I note that the PX10 is NOT sold at the JVC store. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

April 6th, 2012, 04:38 PM	#39
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC Did you actually try to buy one from the shop? When I try, it sends to a list of on-line dealers. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

April 6th, 2012, 04:41 PM	#40
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC Oh no. If i do buy one, it will be from one of our SITE SPONSORS!

April 6th, 2012, 05:10 PM	#41
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC I mean did you follow the link? It only leads to a list of on-line sellers. No JVC Cart. It's not IN the JVC store. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

April 9th, 2012, 11:29 PM	#42
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC JVC has posted the HMQ10's utility. Alas, not a single sample. And, I can't ger the UL sample to work because it doesn't -- I think -- have the right folder structure with thumbnail. OT -- I've been watching many 16mm/Super8 transfers to HD -- while thinking at going back to film with a cheap film camera. You can buy fantastic film cameras -- cheap. Oddly, my reaction is that -- except for Tri-X with it's wonderful grain -- the old days weren't so great. Yes, the cameras were totally manually which I long for. But, there is NO detail unless one chooses certain Super8 camcorders and film stock. Switching to 16mm helps -- as expected -- but gets expensive. Perhaps because I used to shoot Tri-X for photos and movies -- I'm tempted to say there are conceptually two "modes" -- non-realism (shoot Super8 film and xfer to HD) or realism (shoot 1080p60 with a PX10 or 2160p60). Buying a film grain package is an option. :) __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

May 14th, 2012, 01:38 PM	#43
Pavel Sedlak Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Prague Czech Republic Posts: 263	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC A short sample from JVC HMQ10E (record 1080/50i), 3:50 min. http://www.videoproduce.cz/images/JV...i_test_50i.m2t (640MB) (normal gamma, gain 0/6/12dB and some color correction)

May 17th, 2012, 03:35 AM	#44
Pavel Sedlak Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Prague Czech Republic Posts: 263	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC New version of the JVC HMQ10E's footages with color levels ITU 709 on youtube. test 4K kamery JVC HMQ10E (record 1080/50i), úrovn? barev pro TV (ITU 709) - YouTube

May 17th, 2012, 08:36 PM	#45
Wacharapong Chiowanich Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 400	Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC You could have had even better result shooting in Quad-1080/50p (4k) mode. Still the best looking interlaced clip I've seen on YouTube. Excellent camera for the money.