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Old January 13th, 2009, 11:38 AM   #46
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Kaushik, many thanks for the raw clip!
Its definition and quality is very nice!

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And that dance clip is huge in size, but I will try to upload it soon. Uper link is raw file, an original! And send me your reaction!
I don't want to put you in trouble, but if you can upload it, you're welcome of course!
(you could also try rapidshare.com)

BTW, you could use youtube for better video quality. Take a look at a test clip I uploaded today to test the HD capabilities of youtube (with my ex camcorder) YouTube - Baby Drummer HD
(this links straight to the HD version of the clip).
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Old January 13th, 2009, 06:25 PM   #47
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Kaushik, many thanks for the raw clip!
Its definition and quality is very nice!



I don't want to put you in trouble, but if you can upload it, you're welcome of course!
(you could also try rapidshare.com)

BTW, you could use youtube for better video quality. Take a look at a test clip I uploaded today to test the HD capabilities of youtube (with my ex camcorder) YouTube - Baby Drummer HD
(this links straight to the HD version of the clip).
Ken Johnes,

Your uploaded clip is very much clear, can you please tell me what are settings, or it is Full HD version?

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Old January 15th, 2009, 07:18 PM   #48
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Ken Johnes,

Your uploaded clip is very much clear, can you please tell me what are settings, or it is Full HD version?

Kaushik
I'm still experimenting, but currently the basic requirements for max HD quality on YouTube is to upload a clip (less than 10minutes) in h264 (AVC) for video and AAC for audio, in mp4 container (.mp4 extension), deinterlaced, at 25-30fps, at 1280x720 resolution, and at least 4Mbit bitrate.

Since YouTube will re-encode your clip no matter what you do, the higher the quality of the upload clip, the better the final clip. The encoded clip I uploaded for the clip you saw was about 1.9Mbit and it had quite a few artifacts (especially in the beginning). So I uploaded a higher bitrate version -you can see now that the final clip is much cleaner:
YouTube - Baby Drummer HD

It doesn't matter which encoder you use, but if it's not a good one, you'll have to increase the bitrate further and that will make the upload slower.
Also, if your source is noisy, it will result in poor quality, so in that case it is better to de-noise the clip before the encode (with some spatial/temporal de-noise or smooth filter).
The biggest advantage for all NTSC or >25 fps camcorders is that YouTube accepts up to 30fps while Vimeo up to 25. So in that case (as your camcorder records at 29.97fps), in Vimeo the video will stutter, while on YouTube it will be smooth!

Kaushik, If you upload your videos to YouTube, drop a note.

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Old January 16th, 2009, 10:33 PM   #49
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I'm still experimenting, but currently the basic requirements for max HD quality on YouTube is to upload a clip (less than 10minutes) in h264 (AVC) for video and AAC for audio, in mp4 container (.mp4 extension), deinterlaced, at 25-30fps, at 1280x720 resolution, and at least 4Mbit bitrate.

Since YouTube will re-encode your clip no matter what you do, the higher the quality of the upload clip, the better the final clip. The encoded clip I uploaded for the clip you saw was about 1.9Mbit and it had quite a few artifacts (especially in the beginning). So I uploaded a higher bitrate version -you can see now that the final clip is much cleaner:
YouTube - Baby Drummer HD

It doesn't matter which encoder you use, but if it's not a good one, you'll have to increase the bitrate further and that will make the upload slower.
Also, if your source is noisy, it will result in poor quality, so in that case it is better to de-noise the clip before the encode (with some spatial/temporal de-noise or smooth filter).
The biggest advantage for all NTSC or >25 fps camcorders is that YouTube accepts up to 30fps while Vimeo up to 25. So in that case (as your camcorder records at 29.97fps), in Vimeo the video will stutter, while on YouTube it will be smooth!

Kaushik, If you upload your videos to YouTube, drop a note.
I did some experiments on youtube, I found youtube keep HD files almost as it is! I have uploaded small clip (1920x1080) on youtube, and it was same while watching in HD mode!

Here( this is an original RAW file from HD7) is link: YouTube - MOV055

Here is my uploaded video on youtube: YouTube - Kankaria Lake Ahmedabad December 2008

One more clip which I converted in Divx 1280p: YouTube - MOV055

It seems youtube is giving good HD option, just 10 minuts video time is very less, and yes they allow upto 1GB!

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Old January 17th, 2009, 06:03 AM   #50
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I did some experiments on youtube, I found youtube keep HD files almost as it is! I have uploaded small clip (1920x1080) on youtube, and it was same while watching in HD mode!
Kaushik, sorry to dissapoint you but none of your clips you uploaded to YouTube remained at 1080p (1920x1080) resolution. All have been re-encoded to 720p (1280x720) at 2Mbits/sec (as usuall) (except the Kankaria lake which is 1280x702 -by some mistake I guess) and all with the following header:

"Title: (C) 2007 Google Inc. v08.13.2007."

The visual quality you see is very good -I'm glad you managed it, but they are not the originals you uploaded -never are.

To be able to check all the encoding parameters of your clips, download Mediainfo (free) from MediaInfo Install it and choose View->Html or Tree.

You can check them after you download them (or any video on your HDD). I personally download clips from Youtube using Firefox, having installed the "Internet Download Manager" -it provides me a "Download This Video" button above each YouTube clip with all versions available.

Another thing I noticed watching the Kankaria Lake, is that there is a frame skipping every 10 frames. You obviously do someting wrong in your video workflow that causes this frame skipping and makes the motion not completely smooth.

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It seems youtube is giving good HD option, just 10 minuts video time is very less, and yes they allow upto 1GB!
This is not too bad, you can break your clips to 10 minute interesting parts. The 1GB limit refers to the size of the uploaded video(s) not the final one you watch (that have been re-encoded) from YouTube.

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Old January 17th, 2009, 12:18 PM   #51
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Kaushik, sorry to dissapoint you but none of your clips you uploaded to YouTube remained at 1080p (1920x1080) resolution. All have been re-encoded to 720p (1280x720) at 2Mbits/sec (as usuall) (except the Kankaria lake which is 1280x702 -by some mistake I guess) and all with the following header:

"Title: (C) 2007 Google Inc. v08.13.2007."

The visual quality you see is very good -I'm glad you managed it, but they are not the originals you uploaded -never are.

To be able to check all the encoding parameters of your clips, download Mediainfo (free) from MediaInfo Install it and choose View->Html or Tree.

You can check them after you download them (or any video on your HDD). I personally download clips from Youtube using Firefox, having installed the "Internet Download Manager" -it provides me a "Download This Video" button above each YouTube clip with all versions available.

Another thing I noticed watching the Kankaria Lake, is that there is a frame skipping every 10 frames. You obviously do someting wrong in your video workflow that causes this frame skipping and makes the motion not completely smooth.



This is not too bad, you can break your clips to 10 minute interesting parts. The 1GB limit refers to the size of the uploaded video(s) not the final one you watch (that have been re-encoded) from YouTube.
Yes, it is downconverted into 1280p. But good clarity!

And I do not undertand your coment on "frame skipping every 10 frames", can you please explaine me?

And very soon youtube will alloe us to upload more than 10 minuts video, I am sure!

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Old January 17th, 2009, 01:12 PM   #52
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"The biggest advantage for all NTSC or >25 fps camcorders is that YouTube accepts up to 30fps while Vimeo up to 25. So in that case (as your camcorder records at 29.97fps), in Vimeo the video will stutter, while on YouTube it will be smooth!"

That is a real problem for Vimeo.

But, why do folks use UTube? ExposureRoom.com is a far more sophisticated group of filmmakers and supports up to 720p30. It has a very sophisticated look that "frames" your work in a positive way.
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Old January 17th, 2009, 07:59 PM   #53
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And I do not undertand your coment on "frame skipping every 10 frames", can you please explaine me?
Well, it seems that it happens only on the first scene of "Kankaria Lake" HD clip, with the birds flying. To watch it more closely yourself, open the "Kankaria.mp4" clip with a compatible player that can go frame-by-frame eg the "Media Player Classic" (free) with the latest FFShow (free) or CoreAVC (commercial) codec installed, go to 20" and pause the video. Then use the Right-Arrow of your keyboard to advance the frames slowly while watching one of the birds flying. You'll notice that exactly every 10 frames, one frame is missed (the bird jumps two frames ahead instead of one).

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That is a real problem for Vimeo.

But, why do folks use UTube? ExposureRoom.com is a far more sophisticated group of filmmakers and supports up to 720p30. It has a very sophisticated look that "frames" your work in a positive way.
Two reasons:

1. Millions of possible viewers (it depends though).

2. Almost everybody is familiar with YouTube, even if not for so serious reasons.
If you tell someone he can find your video on YouTube, he will understand immediately where and how to look for it.
If you tell him "go to ExposureRoom.com" he will say "What?" "how do you spell that" etc and until he finds the time to visit the website, he will most likely have it forgotten.

I agree that a more professional look matters, especially in some cases where you've done some serious work and you're addressing other professionals.
(IMO YouTube should be capable to serve that purpose too, probably in a separate, professional section.)

But if you seek to impress (advertise etc) the general public, most of all, you need access to the masses... and last week's websites (so to speak), can't offer you that access.

BTW, a few minutes ago I visited ExposureRoom.com to check it out and saw the following message:
"Uploads Are Back!
You can once again upload your videos, photos and music! Read more... "
This proves the rule... but it's not the exception! (reliabilty issues..)

Another thing: Despite the many funny/stupid or whatever videos found on YouTube, you can find helpful and valuable stuf there, if you look for it.
For example, yesterday I had the idea to search for "Drum lessons" (because I practice on my spare time) and soon I found *many* free lessons that can really help me progress much faster. Of course, most of their creators, promote a product, a service etc, but they all know that to gain something, they have to give out something first.
So we get free training videos, have the chance to learn about them and evaluate them or their products and they sell more products -everybody wins!
Not to mention that "we" might actually be the producers of such videos!



*Note: I don't work for YouTube! :)
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Old January 17th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #54
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Well, it seems that it happens only on the first scene of "Kankaria Lake" HD clip, with the birds flying. To watch it more closely yourself, open the "Kankaria.mp4" clip with a compatible player that can go frame-by-frame eg the "Media Player Classic" (free) with the latest FFShow (free) or CoreAVC (commercial) codec installed, go to 20" and pause the video. Then use the Right-Arrow of your keyboard to advance the frames slowly while watching one of the birds flying. You'll notice that exactly every 10 frames, one frame is missed (the bird jumps two frames ahead instead of one).



Two reasons:

1. Millions of possible viewers (it depends though).

2. Almost everybody is familiar with YouTube, even if not for so serious reasons.
If you tell someone he can find your video on YouTube, he will understand immediately where and how to look for it.
If you tell him "go to ExposureRoom.com" he will say "What?" "how do you spell that" etc and until he finds the time to visit the website, he will most likely have it forgotten.

I agree that a more professional look matters, especially in some cases where you've done some serious work and you're addressing other professionals.
(IMO YouTube should be capable to serve that purpose too, probably in a separate, professional section.)

But if you seek to impress (advertise etc) the general public, most of all, you need access to the masses... and last week's websites (so to speak), can't offer you that access.

BTW, a few minutes ago I visited ExposureRoom.com to check it out and saw the following message:
"Uploads Are Back!
You can once again upload your videos, photos and music! Read more... "
This proves the rule... but it's not the exception! (reliabilty issues..)

Another thing: Despite the many funny/stupid or whatever videos found on YouTube, you can find helpful and valuable stuf there, if you look for it.
For example, yesterday I had the idea to search for "Drum lessons" (because I practice on my spare time) and soon I found *many* free lessons that can really help me progress much faster. Of course, most of their creators, promote a product, a service etc, but they all know that to gain something, they have to give out something first.
So we get free training videos, have the chance to learn about them and evaluate them or their products and they sell more products -everybody wins!
Not to mention that "we" might actually be the producers of such videos!



*Note: I don't work for YouTube! :)
May be Video Editing software gives me trouble! And this thing you noticed in my all videos or perticular video only? Did you noticed any other videos?

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Old January 18th, 2009, 02:10 PM   #55
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Just on that scene on the kankaria lake video, but since that video has many scenes, I can't say for certain that it isn't repeated on some other scenes. It is easy to spot only when the subject and/or the camera moves steadily.

If you're not sure about your settings and whether you have this problem or not, you could make a short test clip with the camera on tripod, capturing some object that eg rotates very steadily -even manually. After processing the test clip through the whole workflow, you could test it frame-by-frame at playback to see if there are any frames skipped. If so, you could try to find the wrong settings and/or conflicting parameters.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 01:58 AM   #56
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Hello!

I wanted to show this videos: New York Street Dancer on Vimeo
to performer who are in video! Unfortuneat I am right now in India, and this was captured last year when I was in NY, and this was my last day in USA!

I do not know how this video can reach to the all performer! If someone have answer do let me know!

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Old February 5th, 2009, 08:01 PM   #57
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Another thing: Despite the many funny/stupid or whatever videos found on YouTube, you can find helpful and valuable stuf there, if you look for it.
For example, yesterday I had the idea to search for "Drum lessons" (because I practice on my spare time) and soon I found *many* free lessons that can really help me progress much faster. Of course, most of their creators, promote a product, a service etc, but they all know that to gain something, they have to give out something first.
So we get free training videos, have the chance to learn about them and evaluate them or their products and they sell more products -everybody wins!
Not to mention that "we" might actually be the producers of such videos!
I agree there are great things on Utube, but the noise level is so high they seem to be lost. IF you think of searching you are OK. But, I just don't think of it. Of course, if Google searched it -- that would be nice. For example, if you typed in "deinterlace" and got links to examples, lessons, etc. on various sites -- it would be a big help. The best things I found by accident.

I have just discovered that Apple's MobilMe not only allows HD it does NOT re-compress your video into Flash. So if you shoot h.264 and export your edit as h.264 you can upload that file and folks can see it as streamed h.264. That's second generation video!

And, if folks have a Western Digital Media Player ($100) they can copy the downloaded h.264 file to a USB stick -- insert this in the Player -- and feed the signal via HDMI to their HDTV. Still second generation video! (Unlike AppleTV, you can have 720p30!)

Flash is supposed to support h.264 but the services seem to want to control things by forcing recompression.

I guess the question is -- do you care if folks watch your videos. For me -- not really. Other than ego -- does it matter if 5000 or 500 have seen my "New Kitty" video. Of course, if I were paid it would make a big difference!

If I provide a link to a site -- then the site's popularity doesn't matter. Only the player.

Clearly Flash is more popular than QT. But, if QT delivers higher quality -- maybe that is really more important.

Plus, MobileMe let's me provide supporting photos and text. See this link:

So what?s with imovie and QT.

So does ExposureRoom -- they are trying to get folks to share music that can be used by other people in their videos. Very nice because some sites are removing video with copyrighted music.

Of course, if you have the time you can use multiple.
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Hello,

I have captured some music discussion moments last week, this is about one of India's all time greatest music composer, R. D. Burman. We have RD fan club in our city and we met last weekend had discussion about his music and one person was playing his tune with his instrument. Maybe this would be interesting for someone who are in interested in music! The discussion was in our regional Hindi language I apologizes for that, but music has no language bar and people will understand all it!

Here is link: http://www.vimeo.com/3229853

Please do let me reaction if you guys like it!

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I have uploaded new video captured by my HD7 here is link: Ahmedabad, India on Vimeo

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Hello,

I am big aficionado of Philips Company & its products, and I owns some Philips products (well if it is case of Electronics products, I only use & buy Philips products!). Yesterday I got just an idea, to make small HD movie on it, and same I made it and uploaded at Vimeo, Video Sharing For You

If you have time and would like to see, here is link: sense and simplicity, PHILIPS on Vimeo

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