Clips from Las Vegas at DVinfo.net

Brad Hawkins · August 9th, 2003, 07:08 AM

I took the HD10 with me this past week on my trip to Las Vegas and tested the camera in a couple of different situations. So for anyone interested in seeing more footage from the HD10 you can download the clips at:

http://homepage.mac.com/bradleyvance/

Even though these clips are hand-held and using only a simply polarizing filter they still turned out pretty nice, so hopefully this will help anyone out there still trying to make a desicion about quality of the HD10, one way or another.

Brad

PS - these clips are big and take up almost all my web storage, so I'll probably only be able to leave up for a week or so.

Glenn Gipson · August 9th, 2003, 09:07 AM

Are you pleased with the camera?

Robert Jackson · August 9th, 2003, 10:04 AM

Wonderful Brad. Thank you very much. The latitude issues are obvious in a couple of clips, but I don't see a serious problem with working around that. Otherwise, this is just more proof that this format is everything I'd hoped it would turn out to be. I'm still planning to wait until the next CES to see if anyone else introduces a more fully-realized model based on it, but I have no doubt that I'll be shooting with an HDV camcorder soon. Thanks again for posting the footage.

<<<-- Originally posted by Brad Hawkins : I took the HD10 with me this past week on my trip to Las Vegas and tested the camera in a couple of different situations. So for anyone interested in seeing more footage from the HD10 you can download the clips at:-->>>

Paul Mogg · August 9th, 2003, 11:35 AM

Thanks Brad, those sunset/night shots are very interesting, not a lot of video noise, which you might expect.
Just a note to remind people that if they see a lot of color noise in HD10 footage, it's probably because they are viewing the footage through a software player like Elecard or VLAN, which seem to ADD a lot of color noise on playback that is not in the original footage. As I've mentioned before, it seems that the only way to view the full quality of HD10 footage is either directly from the camera onto a native 720p capable HD monitor, or from a DVHS deck onto the same type of monitor (or projector of course).

All the best

Brad Hawkins · August 9th, 2003, 12:59 PM

Glenn,

Yes I am definately pleased with the camera. True, it does have its shortcommings, and I'm sure future generations of HDV cameras will be more complete, but all in all it is an amazing camera. There is nothing like it available now.

Glenn Gipson · August 9th, 2003, 02:51 PM

What do I need to play that file extension?

Brad Hawkins · August 9th, 2003, 10:03 PM

you'll need a player like the Moonlight - Elecard player

http://www.elecard.com/download/

Glenn Gipson · August 10th, 2003, 05:13 AM

I have to admit, this camera maybe the most “filmic” pro-sumer camera available. The dynamic range is not great, but that is only from the perspective of someone who doesn’t want the “artistic” style of washed out whites. The colors aren’t great, but that is only from the perspective of someone who doesn’t want the “artistic” style of toned down colors. There’s no 25p or 24p, but 30p is good enough to launch a North American moviemaker’s career, via the film festival circuit (and Landmark Theaters does have digital projection now.) However, the biggest downside is the lack of manual controls in contrast to other prosumer cameras. I suppose the bottom line is that this camera is just like any other camera in that it has its strengths and its weakness. There really is no ultimate camera, there is only the right camera for the right job.

T. Patrick Murray · August 10th, 2003, 03:08 PM

I agree with Glenn wholeheartedly-
I hope to be one of the filmmakers
whose career this camera launches...

Too bad I can't view the Vegas clips-
any player that works for a Mac running OS X?

Thanks

T. Patrick Murray

Penfold Plum · August 11th, 2003, 02:05 PM

Thanks for putting up those Vegas Clips, they are fantastic. This camera can really take some stunning video.

One thing that caught my eye though was how jittery the 30p was. 30p on the DVX100 clips I've seen looks a lot smoother. I was curious so I fiddled with the settings on the Elecard player and when I slowed down the footage, although it was doing 30fps, they did not seem to be being displayed evenly in time. That is to say two frames would go quickly followed by a little pause, then another two frames and another pause followed by some evenly spaced frames e.t.c. I couldn't figure out any discernable pattern, but when I slowed it down and advanced it frame by frame it seems that the frames were captured evenly in time but when played back were sometimes being displayed in little bursts with little pauses between them which exaggerated the jitteryness of the final output.

Anyone else see this? Anyone know why?

P.

Paul Mogg · August 11th, 2003, 06:24 PM

The Elecard player itself wll cause uneven playback, especially if you don't have a very fast PC, and it also adds quite a lot of color noise that isn't in the original footage, as does the VLAN player on the Mac. You need to view the footage from a DVHS deck direct to a Native 720p capable monitor, without any up or down conversion, or direct from the camera itself, to see the full quality of the video from the camera without the computer induced artifacts.

Hope this helps

Bob England · August 11th, 2003, 06:25 PM

Videolan is open source streaming software that has a Mac OS X client. You would at least be able to view the clips, but motion playback will not be smooth unless you've got the horsepower. It's available from:
http://www.videolan.org/

Bob England

<<<-- Originally posted by T. Patrick Murray : I agree with Glenn wholeheartedly-
I hope to be one of the filmmakers
whose career this camera launches...

Too bad I can't view the Vegas clips-
any player that works for a Mac running OS X?

Thanks

T. Patrick Murray -->>>

Penfold Plum · August 12th, 2003, 01:59 AM

That's probably it guys (although I am running a 2gig Pentium IV). I would have thought the problem would be less pronounced during slower playback though as there is less data being handled per second, but it is just as obvious even at the very slowest speeds.

Heath McKnight · August 12th, 2003, 01:43 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by T. Patrick Murray : I agree with Glenn wholeheartedly-
I hope to be one of the filmmakers
whose career this camera launches...

Too bad I can't view the Vegas clips-
any player that works for a Mac running OS X?

Thanks

T. Patrick Murray -->>>

The camera doesn't launch it, YOU do. I learned that lesson (expensive, too) a while ago.

heath

T. Patrick Murray · August 13th, 2003, 08:10 AM

I agree Heath- THE CAMERA is BUT A TOOL...

But I made an award-winnign film on DV,
so I know I can do good things with HD.

T. Patrick

August 9th, 2003, 07:08 AM	#1
Brad Hawkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 38	Clips from Las Vegas I took the HD10 with me this past week on my trip to Las Vegas and tested the camera in a couple of different situations. So for anyone interested in seeing more footage from the HD10 you can download the clips at: http://homepage.mac.com/bradleyvance/ Even though these clips are hand-held and using only a simply polarizing filter they still turned out pretty nice, so hopefully this will help anyone out there still trying to make a desicion about quality of the HD10, one way or another. Brad PS - these clips are big and take up almost all my web storage, so I'll probably only be able to leave up for a week or so.

August 9th, 2003, 10:04 AM	#3
Robert Jackson Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 390	Re: Clips from Las Vegas Wonderful Brad. Thank you very much. The latitude issues are obvious in a couple of clips, but I don't see a serious problem with working around that. Otherwise, this is just more proof that this format is everything I'd hoped it would turn out to be. I'm still planning to wait until the next CES to see if anyone else introduces a more fully-realized model based on it, but I have no doubt that I'll be shooting with an HDV camcorder soon. Thanks again for posting the footage. <<<-- Originally posted by Brad Hawkins : I took the HD10 with me this past week on my trip to Las Vegas and tested the camera in a couple of different situations. So for anyone interested in seeing more footage from the HD10 you can download the clips at:-->>>

August 9th, 2003, 11:35 AM	#4
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	Thanks Brad, those sunset/night shots are very interesting, not a lot of video noise, which you might expect. Just a note to remind people that if they see a lot of color noise in HD10 footage, it's probably because they are viewing the footage through a software player like Elecard or VLAN, which seem to ADD a lot of color noise on playback that is not in the original footage. As I've mentioned before, it seems that the only way to view the full quality of HD10 footage is either directly from the camera onto a native 720p capable HD monitor, or from a DVHS deck onto the same type of monitor (or projector of course). All the best __________________ Paul

August 9th, 2003, 10:03 PM	#7
Brad Hawkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 38	m2t Player you'll need a player like the Moonlight - Elecard player http://www.elecard.com/download/

August 10th, 2003, 03:08 PM	#9
T. Patrick Murray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 33	I agree with Glenn wholeheartedly- I hope to be one of the filmmakers whose career this camera launches... Too bad I can't view the Vegas clips- any player that works for a Mac running OS X? Thanks T. Patrick Murray __________________ www.TheLastGame.com "The HOOP DREAMS of football..." USA TODAY (Mike Clark) FOUR STARS

August 9th, 2003, 09:07 AM	#2
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Are you pleased with the camera?

August 9th, 2003, 12:59 PM	#5
Brad Hawkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 38	Glenn, Yes I am definately pleased with the camera. True, it does have its shortcommings, and I'm sure future generations of HDV cameras will be more complete, but all in all it is an amazing camera. There is nothing like it available now.

August 9th, 2003, 02:51 PM	#6
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	What do I need to play that file extension?

August 10th, 2003, 05:13 AM	#8
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	I have to admit, this camera maybe the most “filmic” pro-sumer camera available. The dynamic range is not great, but that is only from the perspective of someone who doesn’t want the “artistic” style of washed out whites. The colors aren’t great, but that is only from the perspective of someone who doesn’t want the “artistic” style of toned down colors. There’s no 25p or 24p, but 30p is good enough to launch a North American moviemaker’s career, via the film festival circuit (and Landmark Theaters does have digital projection now.) However, the biggest downside is the lack of manual controls in contrast to other prosumer cameras. I suppose the bottom line is that this camera is just like any other camera in that it has its strengths and its weakness. There really is no ultimate camera, there is only the right camera for the right job.

August 11th, 2003, 02:05 PM	#10
Penfold Plum New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London England Posts: 15	Vegas Clips Thanks for putting up those Vegas Clips, they are fantastic. This camera can really take some stunning video. One thing that caught my eye though was how jittery the 30p was. 30p on the DVX100 clips I've seen looks a lot smoother. I was curious so I fiddled with the settings on the Elecard player and when I slowed down the footage, although it was doing 30fps, they did not seem to be being displayed evenly in time. That is to say two frames would go quickly followed by a little pause, then another two frames and another pause followed by some evenly spaced frames e.t.c. I couldn't figure out any discernable pattern, but when I slowed it down and advanced it frame by frame it seems that the frames were captured evenly in time but when played back were sometimes being displayed in little bursts with little pauses between them which exaggerated the jitteryness of the final output. Anyone else see this? Anyone know why? P.

August 11th, 2003, 06:24 PM	#11
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	The Elecard player itself wll cause uneven playback, especially if you don't have a very fast PC, and it also adds quite a lot of color noise that isn't in the original footage, as does the VLAN player on the Mac. You need to view the footage from a DVHS deck direct to a Native 720p capable monitor, without any up or down conversion, or direct from the camera itself, to see the full quality of the video from the camera without the computer induced artifacts. Hope this helps __________________ Paul

August 11th, 2003, 06:25 PM	#12
Bob England Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 59	Videolan is open source streaming software that has a Mac OS X client. You would at least be able to view the clips, but motion playback will not be smooth unless you've got the horsepower. It's available from: http://www.videolan.org/ Bob England <<<-- Originally posted by T. Patrick Murray : I agree with Glenn wholeheartedly- I hope to be one of the filmmakers whose career this camera launches... Too bad I can't view the Vegas clips- any player that works for a Mac running OS X? Thanks T. Patrick Murray -->>>

August 12th, 2003, 01:59 AM	#13
Penfold Plum New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London England Posts: 15	That's probably it guys (although I am running a 2gig Pentium IV). I would have thought the problem would be less pronounced during slower playback though as there is less data being handled per second, but it is just as obvious even at the very slowest speeds.

August 12th, 2003, 01:43 PM	#14
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by T. Patrick Murray : I agree with Glenn wholeheartedly- I hope to be one of the filmmakers whose career this camera launches... Too bad I can't view the Vegas clips- any player that works for a Mac running OS X? Thanks T. Patrick Murray -->>> The camera doesn't launch it, YOU do. I learned that lesson (expensive, too) a while ago. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

August 13th, 2003, 08:10 AM	#15
T. Patrick Murray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 33	I agree Heath- THE CAMERA is BUT A TOOL... But I made an award-winnign film on DV, so I know I can do good things with HD. T. Patrick __________________ www.TheLastGame.com "The HOOP DREAMS of football..." USA TODAY (Mike Clark) FOUR STARS