reality check

Frank Granovski · August 18th, 2003, 04:23 PM

I'm going to go have have a look at the consumer version today. I'm going to see if the staff will hook it with a WS TV.

Steven-Marc Couchouron · August 19th, 2003, 03:02 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Penfold Plum : Hi Ken,

I live in London and was wondering if you knew whether a 25p PAL version of the HD10 was in the pipeline at all?

Many thanks,

P. -->>>

All the info about the PAL version is on the front page of the JVC UK website.

It's called GR-PD1 and... isn't HD capable. But it shoots in PAL, 576p25, 576p50, in 16:9 mode of course.

www.jvc.co.uk

Penfold Plum · August 19th, 2003, 07:13 AM

Thanks Steven. Shame about the lack of HD :( That essentially makes it a 1 chip progressive scan SD camcorder, which means the DVX100 could have it for breakfast.

Bernard Ryan · August 19th, 2003, 08:07 AM

Hey guys,
just to let you know, i am using a japanese HD 1 in sydney as a second camera to film camera's for international commercials. I either upconvert to 1080 and put it through a AJA analogue HD to HD SDI convertor and record to HDCAM or D5 deck, or have found that using a playstation D terminal to component cable i can downconvert to SD and record component in to a digi beta deck and it is sharper than 16mm telecined in ursa.. That fact it ain't PAL and can't use FCp is boring but the alcamist platinum transfers it clean to PAL, so picks up of products for my latest sony commercial worked fine in post and the cost saving on film camera, crew, stock, process, telecine etc paid for the camera many times over.. I love it..
p.s Feature DOP's mates now all want to borrow it to shoot shorts, indi films..

Steve Mullen · August 20th, 2003, 01:36 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Penfold Plum : Thanks Steven. Shame about the lack of HD :( That essentially makes it a 1 chip progressive scan SD camcorder, which means the DVX100 could have it for breakfast. -->>>

Not so fast!

First the DVX100 isn't native 16:9. The JVC is.

The JVC has lower edge-enhancement.

The DVX100 is NTSC. The JVC HD/SD is not. That's a huge positive difference.

The JVC is progressive at 50fps while the DVX100 is interlace at 60.

Heath McKnight · August 20th, 2003, 01:44 AM

anyone getting any good stuff from the DV version? I've yet to look at my video shot outside, but I think it will be a little shakey (my friend shot, I wore a wireless for the interview...something cool for the doc on my DVD).

heath

Penfold Plum · August 20th, 2003, 03:24 AM

<<<-- The DVX100 is NTSC. The JVC HD/SD is not. That's a huge positive difference.

The JVC is progressive at 50fps while the DVX100 is interlace at 60. -->>>

Not where I live (I live in England Steve :)), so I get the PAL DVX100 which is progressive at 25 fps. And with all that extra image control and lattitude I think I'd only miss the 16:9.

Frank Granovski · August 20th, 2003, 03:59 AM

off topic

Penfold,

Didn't the BBC have a better quality broadcast standard prier to the switch to PAL?

Penfold Plum · August 20th, 2003, 05:49 AM

Gosh, I don't know Frank. That would be pre 1967? I'm not sure they ever broadcasted in a higher spec format than PAL (they recorded stuff on Vera and Ampex systems at that time I think).

Steve Mullen · August 20th, 2003, 03:17 PM

Technical summary from JVC

Multi-Format Recording and Playback:

MPEG-2 PAL Progressive -- 16:9 625/50p (same as NTSC SD mode)

MPEG-2 PAL Progressive -- 16:9 625/25p (same as NTSC SD mode; but at a rate perfect for xfer to film using native 16:9!)

MPEG-2 PAL Progressive -- 4:3 625/50p (For making PAL progressive DVDs?)

DV PAL Interlace -- 4:3 625/50i (same as DV NTSC mode)

But who knows if it is tuned for minimum edge enhancement!

August 19th, 2003, 03:02 AM	#17
Steven-Marc Couchouron Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 110 Images: 5	<<<-- Originally posted by Penfold Plum : Hi Ken, I live in London and was wondering if you knew whether a 25p PAL version of the HD10 was in the pipeline at all? Many thanks, P. -->>> All the info about the PAL version is on the front page of the JVC UK website. It's called GR-PD1 and... isn't HD capable. But it shoots in PAL, 576p25, 576p50, in 16:9 mode of course. www.jvc.co.uk __________________ SMCproductions.com

August 19th, 2003, 08:07 AM	#19
Bernard Ryan New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 21	HD 1 working in Pro enviroment Hey guys, just to let you know, i am using a japanese HD 1 in sydney as a second camera to film camera's for international commercials. I either upconvert to 1080 and put it through a AJA analogue HD to HD SDI convertor and record to HDCAM or D5 deck, or have found that using a playstation D terminal to component cable i can downconvert to SD and record component in to a digi beta deck and it is sharper than 16mm telecined in ursa.. That fact it ain't PAL and can't use FCp is boring but the alcamist platinum transfers it clean to PAL, so picks up of products for my latest sony commercial worked fine in post and the cost saving on film camera, crew, stock, process, telecine etc paid for the camera many times over.. I love it.. p.s Feature DOP's mates now all want to borrow it to shoot shorts, indi films.. __________________ Bernard Ryan Director Cyber City Films Sydney Australia

August 20th, 2003, 01:36 AM	#20
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Penfold Plum : Thanks Steven. Shame about the lack of HD :( That essentially makes it a 1 chip progressive scan SD camcorder, which means the DVX100 could have it for breakfast. -->>> Not so fast! First the DVX100 isn't native 16:9. The JVC is. The JVC has lower edge-enhancement. The DVX100 is NTSC. The JVC HD/SD is not. That's a huge positive difference. The JVC is progressive at 50fps while the DVX100 is interlace at 60. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

August 20th, 2003, 01:44 AM	#21
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	anyone getting any good stuff from the DV version? I've yet to look at my video shot outside, but I think it will be a little shakey (my friend shot, I wore a wireless for the interview...something cool for the doc on my DVD). heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

August 20th, 2003, 03:17 PM	#25
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Technical summary from JVC Multi-Format Recording and Playback: MPEG-2 PAL Progressive -- 16:9 625/50p (same as NTSC SD mode) MPEG-2 PAL Progressive -- 16:9 625/25p (same as NTSC SD mode; but at a rate perfect for xfer to film using native 16:9!) MPEG-2 PAL Progressive -- 4:3 625/50p (For making PAL progressive DVDs?) DV PAL Interlace -- 4:3 625/50i (same as DV NTSC mode) But who knows if it is tuned for minimum edge enhancement! __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

August 18th, 2003, 04:23 PM	#16
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I'm going to go have have a look at the consumer version today. I'm going to see if the staff will hook it with a WS TV.

August 19th, 2003, 07:13 AM	#18
Penfold Plum New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London England Posts: 15	Thanks Steven. Shame about the lack of HD :( That essentially makes it a 1 chip progressive scan SD camcorder, which means the DVX100 could have it for breakfast.

August 20th, 2003, 03:24 AM	#22
Penfold Plum New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London England Posts: 15	<<<-- The DVX100 is NTSC. The JVC HD/SD is not. That's a huge positive difference. The JVC is progressive at 50fps while the DVX100 is interlace at 60. -->>> Not where I live (I live in England Steve :)), so I get the PAL DVX100 which is progressive at 25 fps. And with all that extra image control and lattitude I think I'd only miss the 16:9.

August 20th, 2003, 03:59 AM	#23
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	off topic Penfold, Didn't the BBC have a better quality broadcast standard prier to the switch to PAL?

August 20th, 2003, 05:49 AM	#24
Penfold Plum New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London England Posts: 15	Gosh, I don't know Frank. That would be pre 1967? I'm not sure they ever broadcasted in a higher spec format than PAL (they recorded stuff on Vera and Ampex systems at that time I think).