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Old January 27th, 2004, 05:48 PM   #1
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Prototype HD camcorder @ CES?

Panasonic HD camcorder prototype...records to SD media
Just found this on Gizmodo's coverage of CES...an interesting tidbit I found while researching the Panasonic DSnap AV100 camcorder which records mpeg2 to SD cards...

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/even..._panasonic.php

The eye catching text was this:

" During the keynote they demonstrated a simmilar prototype that captured HDTV onto a 4GB SD card "

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Old January 28th, 2004, 02:38 AM   #2
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So if they are using the current HDV standard to record on that
SD media (wouldn't want to get much lower with bandwidth)
you can record a whole of 13 minutes. That's not that great!
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Old January 28th, 2004, 06:00 AM   #3
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Here's the pic. You can see "HD Dsnap" logo on the camera...
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...109/pana18.jpg
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Old January 28th, 2004, 06:57 AM   #4
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Looks like a nice little cam---wide front lens element. But only 13 minutes?
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Old January 28th, 2004, 07:00 AM   #5
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Oh. It's another MPEG2 cam---sorta like microMV---sorta. :-))
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Old January 28th, 2004, 08:22 AM   #6
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Frank,

didn't you once say in Japan high definition also means great resolution, not HD as we know it?

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Old January 28th, 2004, 08:30 AM   #7
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I have a feeling all the companies are going to use HDV in their lower models (the little hand cams) - instead of making a better than JVC model.

If that happens - I guess in one way, us JVC owners made a great choice to get the camera early. In another way, it sucks because we don't have a choice to upgrade.

However, NAB 2004 is coming...we'll see then for sure. By the way is anyone going to NAB here? I am going, so let me know and we'll hookup and either bitch at the companies or praise them in-person! I'm going with some friends, so the more the merrier.

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Old January 28th, 2004, 08:32 AM   #8
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It got cold again in S. Florida, but not like you guys. You have my sympathy, but remember we'll get hit by nuclear heat in the summer!

I am curious though about this camera; I didn't think Panasonic jumped onboard the HDV tech wagon.

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Old January 28th, 2004, 09:20 AM   #9
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Panasonic getting on-board before the others might be a good thing - it's creditbility across the whole HDV format.

Now, no one can say "ah, but Panasonic isn't supporting it". That was something I read a few times online. At least now all companies making cameras are using HDV on cams.

I have a feeling Sony is going to make an HDV camera that uses the PD170 body and everything - it'll be priced like $2000 higher than the JVC one. The reason I think this is because they already put out their standard NTSC camera with the PD170 - they HAVE to be noticing the backlash of existing JVC customers complaining about the 1 chip design and lack of manual controls.

I'd bet within weeks we'll hear of a Sony HDV "pro" camera...having everything the JVC doesn't. I just feel it happening...get ready. Every trade magazine says, "HD" and no one is talking "NTSC"...HD is way sexier now and it'll sell way more cameras. I know everyone in film likes the 24p thing, but it just doesn't mean anything to everyone shooting for broadcast. Unless you shoot ultimately a film transfer, it's not a big deal to have on a camera. I'd bet Sony let's Panasonic keep their 24p status, but really gives them a run for their money with HDV - the perfect format for low-cost production of broadcast HD.

Oh, one last thing...all signs point to Optical disc recording on this HDV camera...no mini-tape.

I know, I'm rumoring a little here. But, I'm serious...within weeks we'll see something from Sony in my opinion! After the PD170 release without much fanfare...they need a "star" player for 2004-2006 to sell.

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13 minutes, though, makes me think of shooting a magazine of film. Length only, not quality, because I don't want to start a film vs. DV debate! ;-)

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Old January 28th, 2004, 01:18 PM   #11
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If it was using Mpeg4, it would be 26 min. To bad they are still using 1990's technology on these.
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<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : 13 minutes, though, makes me think of shooting a magazine of film. Length only, not quality, because I don't want to start a film vs. DV debate! ;-)

heath -->>>

Yeah, that's the first thought I had, too. Personally, I don't mind shooting on media that holds 10-15 minutes of footage. It makes media management much easier, IMO. When I record audio I do it on 64 Mb flash cards even though I could do it on much bigger cards and change less often. I just like having each scene on its own card. Makes pairing it up with the film much easier when it comes back from the lab.
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