Mini35 for HD1/HD10 at DVinfo.net

Mark Jervis · January 29th, 2004, 10:16 AM

I'm not sure if anyone has stated this previously and if so I am prepared to be attacked but I just spoke with PS Technik and they have the Mini35 for the HD1/HD10 ready to go with a release in late March. Just thought I would let you guys know in case it hadn't been stated.

Mark Jervis

Christopher C. Murphy · January 29th, 2004, 11:17 AM

Do you know what the weight of that will be? I just bought a DS-5 for my HD10u and I've only got about 10 extra pds available on it.

Murph

Barry Green · January 29th, 2004, 12:34 PM

We jerry-rigged a mini35 onto the HD1 once, using the PD150 adapter kit, a 52-58 step-up ring, and a hollowed-out neutral-density-filter ring as a macro-extension ring. Worked really nicely, although with our jerry-rigged setup we didn't have the exact same fov as a true mini35 rig would.

Mark Jervis · January 29th, 2004, 04:30 PM

Not sure about the weight. Since the mini35 is a standard piece you can probably find it's weight on the PS Technik website. The peice that is coming out is the adapter to mount the mini35 to the HD10 and I'm sure that only weighs a few ounces.

Gabor Lacza · January 29th, 2004, 08:30 PM

How much a Mini35 would cost, do we know ???

Mark Jervis · January 29th, 2004, 08:58 PM

According to the PS Technik website, The mini35 adapter kit is $6,240.00, lens mounts range from $145-$270 and based on prices for the other mounting adapters the HD10 adapter will cost around $1,530. So total of $7,195.00 for the cheapest lens mount.

Barry Green · January 29th, 2004, 11:26 PM

I think you missed a thousand there...

A complete mini35 setup is around $8000-$8500.

Mark Jervis · January 30th, 2004, 08:13 AM

All of those prices are directly from the website. That doesn't include taxes, shipment, or any other accessories you may need. Just base pricing.

Daniel Moloko · January 30th, 2004, 10:12 AM

when my hd10u arrive late next month, after brazilian carnival, i will build my homemade 35mm adaptor.

i just did build one for my trv18. really great and everything.

just got to have a chance to do it with the hd10u.

ciao

Alex Raskin · April 1st, 2004, 09:39 AM

I'm making a home-brew mini35 adapter for the HDV camera (JVC JY-HD10) and with its 1280x720 resolution, the GG grain issue becomes catastrophic.

After some experimentation with grounding of the UV filter glass, which proved still unacceptable even with the very fine grit (started with 9, finished with 25), I'm waiting on the Bosscreen material... but I don't hold my breath for it either.

So, is there positively no way to eliminate GG altogether? What if we use not 35mm SLR, but 16mm movie primes, thus making the "projected" image smaller and closer to the native size of the prosumer cams' CCD?

Dwight Flynn · April 6th, 2004, 08:40 AM

Alex, a British company says it can make a ground glass at 1 micron if I provide them with the specs for the glass. I know that it has to be opaque, but strictly speaking I am not certain what specs the gg should have beside being 52mm and made of optical quality glass. If you or anyone else have specifications for the gg please let me know what they are. I will post the results I get from the manufactured process as well as the prices.

Thanks

Alex Raskin · April 6th, 2004, 08:44 AM

Dwight, I got great home-brew adapter results with:

- Small glass GG ground with 9micron aluminum oxide

- Vibrated by a micro-motor across the HD cam's field of view so to blur the imperfections to the camera (image stays sharp as it is not moving with the GG)

Will try 5 micron grit today just for the sake of it.

Dwight Flynn · April 6th, 2004, 09:31 AM

Alex, I am going to try both options. Would you take a moment and post a step by step instruction on your vibrating gg procedure. I will compare this to the 1 micron gg method (if the company can produce it.) I am not an engineer so it helps to have some details in this matter. I will let you all know the results.

Thanks

Alex Raskin · April 6th, 2004, 10:04 AM

Please continue here .

Dwight Flynn · April 6th, 2004, 11:14 AM

Alex, it seemed as if you were going to post a link with you last reply.

Thanks

January 29th, 2004, 10:16 AM	#1
Mark Jervis Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 66	Mini35 for HD1/HD10 I'm not sure if anyone has stated this previously and if so I am prepared to be attacked but I just spoke with PS Technik and they have the Mini35 for the HD1/HD10 ready to go with a release in late March. Just thought I would let you guys know in case it hadn't been stated. Mark Jervis

January 29th, 2004, 11:17 AM	#2
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Do you know what the weight of that will be? I just bought a DS-5 for my HD10u and I've only got about 10 extra pds available on it. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 29th, 2004, 08:30 PM	#5
Gabor Lacza Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Budapest , Hungary Posts: 194	Price How much a Mini35 would cost, do we know ???

January 30th, 2004, 10:12 AM	#9
Daniel Moloko Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Brazil Posts: 124	im just doing mine when my hd10u arrive late next month, after brazilian carnival, i will build my homemade 35mm adaptor. i just did build one for my trv18. really great and everything. just got to have a chance to do it with the hd10u. ciao

April 1st, 2004, 09:39 AM	#10
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Down with Ground Glass! I'm making a home-brew mini35 adapter for the HDV camera (JVC JY-HD10) and with its 1280x720 resolution, the GG grain issue becomes catastrophic. After some experimentation with grounding of the UV filter glass, which proved still unacceptable even with the very fine grit (started with 9, finished with 25), I'm waiting on the Bosscreen material... but I don't hold my breath for it either. So, is there positively no way to eliminate GG altogether? What if we use not 35mm SLR, but 16mm movie primes, thus making the "projected" image smaller and closer to the native size of the prosumer cams' CCD?

January 29th, 2004, 12:34 PM	#3
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	We jerry-rigged a mini35 onto the HD1 once, using the PD150 adapter kit, a 52-58 step-up ring, and a hollowed-out neutral-density-filter ring as a macro-extension ring. Worked really nicely, although with our jerry-rigged setup we didn't have the exact same fov as a true mini35 rig would.

January 29th, 2004, 04:30 PM	#4
Mark Jervis Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 66	Not sure about the weight. Since the mini35 is a standard piece you can probably find it's weight on the PS Technik website. The peice that is coming out is the adapter to mount the mini35 to the HD10 and I'm sure that only weighs a few ounces.

January 29th, 2004, 08:58 PM	#6
Mark Jervis Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 66	According to the PS Technik website, The mini35 adapter kit is $6,240.00, lens mounts range from $145-$270 and based on prices for the other mounting adapters the HD10 adapter will cost around $1,530. So total of $7,195.00 for the cheapest lens mount.

January 29th, 2004, 11:26 PM	#7
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	I think you missed a thousand there... A complete mini35 setup is around $8000-$8500.

January 30th, 2004, 08:13 AM	#8
Mark Jervis Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 66	All of those prices are directly from the website. That doesn't include taxes, shipment, or any other accessories you may need. Just base pricing.

April 6th, 2004, 08:40 AM	#11
Dwight Flynn Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 393	Need specs for ground glass Alex, a British company says it can make a ground glass at 1 micron if I provide them with the specs for the glass. I know that it has to be opaque, but strictly speaking I am not certain what specs the gg should have beside being 52mm and made of optical quality glass. If you or anyone else have specifications for the gg please let me know what they are. I will post the results I get from the manufactured process as well as the prices. Thanks

April 6th, 2004, 08:44 AM	#12
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Dwight, I got great home-brew adapter results with: - Small glass GG ground with 9micron aluminum oxide - Vibrated by a micro-motor across the HD cam's field of view so to blur the imperfections to the camera (image stays sharp as it is not moving with the GG) Will try 5 micron grit today just for the sake of it.

April 6th, 2004, 09:31 AM	#13
Dwight Flynn Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 393	Step by Step Alex, I am going to try both options. Would you take a moment and post a step by step instruction on your vibrating gg procedure. I will compare this to the 1 micron gg method (if the company can produce it.) I am not an engineer so it helps to have some details in this matter. I will let you all know the results. Thanks

April 6th, 2004, 10:04 AM	#14
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Please continue here .

April 6th, 2004, 11:14 AM	#15
Dwight Flynn Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 393	no link? Alex, it seemed as if you were going to post a link with you last reply. Thanks