Various posts concerning GR-HD1U and JY-HD10U

Frank Granovski · July 25th, 2003, 10:55 PM

Sound & Vision has an article on the 10U. I didn't read the whole article nor did I purchase the magazine. However, I read that the playback lines are 425 in DV, and that in HD mode it records 550 lines to tape. The author of the article is David Ranada. (That can't be a real name.) I just thought I'd mention this.

Rob Kelly · July 26th, 2003, 02:56 PM

I am reading about these and i just have a lot of questions about this, so i'd really appreciate it if someone who owns one or has worked with one would instant message me some time, my screen name is "PARDON ME QUEEN" so i could ask them a few questions about this camera.

Heath McKnight · July 28th, 2003, 03:01 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Kelly : I am reading about these and i just have a lot of questions about this, so i'd really appreciate it if someone who owns one or has worked with one would instant message me some time, my screen name is "PARDON ME QUEEN" so i could ask them a few questions about this camera. -->>>

If you surf around the board, you will find that a lot of questions will be answered. If you don't find them, post them up and we'll answer them, that way others can learn, too.

heath

July 28th, 2003, 10:06 PM

When are the 3 chip consumer mpeg2 HD cams coming?

Frank Granovski · July 29th, 2003, 02:53 AM

When you find out, let us know. :) I doubt any time soon, unless that recent GL2 rebate means something new is coming. Whether it'll be a MPEG2 HD 3-CCD model or something along the lines of a PDX/953 with a 16:9 option, we'll just have to wait and see. Perhaps JVC has something up their sleeves with the recent price drop of their Streamcorder. Why worry? At least 1-chip HD is here today.

Heath McKnight · July 31st, 2003, 02:18 PM

Every now and then someone mentions they bought an extended warranty for $150 for the HD10. Where did you all buy it from and who handles the warranty? Mack Camera?

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!

heath

Randall Morton · August 1st, 2003, 01:46 PM

Yes the B&H Warranty is through MACK.

Heath McKnight · August 1st, 2003, 02:14 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Randall Morton : Yes the B&H Warranty is through MACK. -->>>

Thanks!

heath

Hugh DiMauro · August 4th, 2003, 10:26 AM

Does anyone here have experience with this "Cineline" camera? It isn' progressive scan, HD or 24p and yet JVC totes this baby as having the best resolution for film blowups. I would love to hear from people who have hands on experience with this camera or can at least shed some light. My interest is piqued and I might buy one!

Chris Hurd · August 4th, 2003, 11:27 AM

It records in the standard-definition DV format on full size or Mini-DV cassettes, but it does have 2/3" CCD's which are native 16x9.

T. Patrick Murray · August 7th, 2003, 08:38 AM

At the risk of appearing, I don't know- like a shameless self-promoter,
I just thought this community might like to hear about a DV movie
that just got 4 stars from USA TODAY and was called
"the HOOP DREAMS of high school football."

I made it with an XL1, at frame movie mode,
and it turned out great.

Nationwide BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO release in January,
or, you can get it (and the reviews and a TRAILER on quicktime)

at

www.TheLastGame.com

Thanks!

T. Patrick Murray

John Locke · August 7th, 2003, 08:42 AM

Hate to be the bearer of bad news...none of the links work on the page.

T. Patrick Murray · August 7th, 2003, 09:57 AM

John

Thanks for the news about the site-

We just had a new one put up...

We will fix it today!

Thanks

Glenn Gipson · August 13th, 2003, 05:08 PM

I went to B&H and saw the JVC HD1 for the first time (never saw an HD10, by the way.) I wasn’t gonna go at first, cause the B&H people said they didn’t even have the camera hooked up to an HD monitor. (never mind the fact that their HDTVs were some twenty feet behind the camera.) Anyway, I stopped in B&H regardless, and saw the HD1 there. I could only look at the image through the camera’s LCD screen, which didn’t really tell me much except for the fact that the camera was obviously true 16:9 and working in progressive mode. So I moved on, and scanned over the cameras that were hooked up to professional monitors, mainly the other prosumer cameras. I gotta say, that PDX10 is sweet, nice image from a strikingly small camera. Then I looked at the DVX100 again, and I was mesmerized by the 24p image coming through the monitor, yup, looks comparable to 16mm, except the whites blowout easier then 16mm. In any case, the DVX100 is definitely king of the prosumer cam hill. So it was time to leave B&H, and low and behold, in a wall mounted glass display, they had the JVC HD1 hooked up to an HDTV LCD screen. The first thing I thought when I saw the image is, “Man! My skin is f@cked up!” I never knew I had so many pock marks and pimples until I saw my face through the JVC HD1 via an HDTV monitor. An old man with slick gray hair even stood in front of me for a bit and I couldn’t believe how fine his hairs were coming through the monitor. (He probably had no idea that a stranger would be looking at his hair roots that day) No question about it, the JVC HD1 is High Def. Now, what I didn’t like, and maybe it was just the HDTV LCD screen itself, was how bad the highlights were blowing out. I gotta say, from what I saw, I didn’t like it. The dynamic range/latitude of this camera looked so bad that it reminded me of those old VHS camcorders, except this VHS like camcorder has High Definition, weird. But, like I said, some of the blown out highlights COULD have been due to the HDTV LCD screen. I don’t like LCD screens at all, by the way, because they do tend to crush blacks and blow out highlights all by themselves. So my conclusion is that I still need to see the JVC HD10 (not the 1) on a CRT HDTV monitor. Also, I believe the HD1 has excessive over sharpening, but if what I saw was just like the HD10, then all those JVC HD Cam people better invest in a good make up artist and A LOT of Black Flags.

Michael Hyun · August 13th, 2003, 08:04 PM

"and maybe it was just the HDTV LCD screen itself, was how bad the highlights were blowing out. I gotta say, from what I saw, I didn’t like it. The dynamic range/latitude of this camera"

I agree, that there is a tendency to blow out highlights.

One thing I did notice though, is that this effect is hugely affected by the device you view the image on. Through the vlan player on my computer's lcd, a lot of detail completely washed out in the highlights. However, when viewing the same clip on my HDTV, the effect was much more subtle, even closing in on the margin of being acceptable.

From my experience with the camera, the 3 things you really have to watch and control carefully are focus (the AF is useless), exposure and white balance. All 3 can really be hit or miss and produce massive variances on final image quality- they can be wildly beautiful or downright awful.

General rule of thumb- it is better to slightly underexpose then slightly overexpose.

Experience and patience are probably the 2 best qualities to posess when using this camera.

July 25th, 2003, 10:55 PM	#91
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	'Sound & Vision' article Sound & Vision has an article on the 10U. I didn't read the whole article nor did I purchase the magazine. However, I read that the playback lines are 425 in DV, and that in HD mode it records 550 lines to tape. The author of the article is David Ranada. (That can't be a real name.) I just thought I'd mention this.

July 26th, 2003, 02:56 PM	#92
Rob Kelly New Boot Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: westboro, Massachusetts Posts: 13	GR-HD1U / JY-HD10U I am reading about these and i just have a lot of questions about this, so i'd really appreciate it if someone who owns one or has worked with one would instant message me some time, my screen name is "PARDON ME QUEEN" so i could ask them a few questions about this camera.

July 28th, 2003, 03:01 PM	#93
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Re: GR-HD1U / JY-HD10U <<<-- Originally posted by Rob Kelly : I am reading about these and i just have a lot of questions about this, so i'd really appreciate it if someone who owns one or has worked with one would instant message me some time, my screen name is "PARDON ME QUEEN" so i could ask them a few questions about this camera. -->>> If you surf around the board, you will find that a lot of questions will be answered. If you don't find them, post them up and we'll answer them, that way others can learn, too. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 28th, 2003, 10:06 PM	#94
Guest Posts: n/a	When are the new models coming? When are the 3 chip consumer mpeg2 HD cams coming?

July 31st, 2003, 02:18 PM	#96
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Warranties Every now and then someone mentions they bought an extended warranty for $150 for the HD10. Where did you all buy it from and who handles the warranty? Mack Camera? THANKS!!!!!!!!!!! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 29th, 2003, 02:53 AM	#95
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	When you find out, let us know. :) I doubt any time soon, unless that recent GL2 rebate means something new is coming. Whether it'll be a MPEG2 HD 3-CCD model or something along the lines of a PDX/953 with a 16:9 option, we'll just have to wait and see. Perhaps JVC has something up their sleeves with the recent price drop of their Streamcorder. Why worry? At least 1-chip HD is here today.

August 1st, 2003, 01:46 PM	#97
Randall Morton Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 39	Yes the B&H Warranty is through MACK.

August 1st, 2003, 02:14 PM	#98
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Randall Morton : Yes the B&H Warranty is through MACK. -->>> Thanks! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

August 4th, 2003, 10:26 AM	#99
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	JVC GY DV700WUCL Question Does anyone here have experience with this "Cineline" camera? It isn' progressive scan, HD or 24p and yet JVC totes this baby as having the best resolution for film blowups. I would love to hear from people who have hands on experience with this camera or can at least shed some light. My interest is piqued and I might buy one!

August 4th, 2003, 11:27 AM	#100
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	It records in the standard-definition DV format on full size or Mini-DV cassettes, but it does have 2/3" CCD's which are native 16x9. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 7th, 2003, 08:38 AM	#101
T. Patrick Murray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 33	DV Football Documentary ( THE LAST GAME ) At the risk of appearing, I don't know- like a shameless self-promoter, I just thought this community might like to hear about a DV movie that just got 4 stars from USA TODAY and was called "the HOOP DREAMS of high school football." I made it with an XL1, at frame movie mode, and it turned out great. Nationwide BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO release in January, or, you can get it (and the reviews and a TRAILER on quicktime) at www.TheLastGame.com Thanks! T. Patrick Murray

August 7th, 2003, 08:42 AM	#102
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Hate to be the bearer of bad news...none of the links work on the page. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

August 7th, 2003, 09:57 AM	#103
T. Patrick Murray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 33	John Thanks for the news about the site- We just had a new one put up... We will fix it today! Thanks __________________ www.TheLastGame.com "The HOOP DREAMS of football..." USA TODAY (Mike Clark) FOUR STARS

August 13th, 2003, 05:08 PM	#104
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	My first encounter with the JVC JY-HD1U I went to B&H and saw the JVC HD1 for the first time (never saw an HD10, by the way.) I wasn’t gonna go at first, cause the B&H people said they didn’t even have the camera hooked up to an HD monitor. (never mind the fact that their HDTVs were some twenty feet behind the camera.) Anyway, I stopped in B&H regardless, and saw the HD1 there. I could only look at the image through the camera’s LCD screen, which didn’t really tell me much except for the fact that the camera was obviously true 16:9 and working in progressive mode. So I moved on, and scanned over the cameras that were hooked up to professional monitors, mainly the other prosumer cameras. I gotta say, that PDX10 is sweet, nice image from a strikingly small camera. Then I looked at the DVX100 again, and I was mesmerized by the 24p image coming through the monitor, yup, looks comparable to 16mm, except the whites blowout easier then 16mm. In any case, the DVX100 is definitely king of the prosumer cam hill. So it was time to leave B&H, and low and behold, in a wall mounted glass display, they had the JVC HD1 hooked up to an HDTV LCD screen. The first thing I thought when I saw the image is, “Man! My skin is f@cked up!” I never knew I had so many pock marks and pimples until I saw my face through the JVC HD1 via an HDTV monitor. An old man with slick gray hair even stood in front of me for a bit and I couldn’t believe how fine his hairs were coming through the monitor. (He probably had no idea that a stranger would be looking at his hair roots that day) No question about it, the JVC HD1 is High Def. Now, what I didn’t like, and maybe it was just the HDTV LCD screen itself, was how bad the highlights were blowing out. I gotta say, from what I saw, I didn’t like it. The dynamic range/latitude of this camera looked so bad that it reminded me of those old VHS camcorders, except this VHS like camcorder has High Definition, weird. But, like I said, some of the blown out highlights COULD have been due to the HDTV LCD screen. I don’t like LCD screens at all, by the way, because they do tend to crush blacks and blow out highlights all by themselves. So my conclusion is that I still need to see the JVC HD10 (not the 1) on a CRT HDTV monitor. Also, I believe the HD1 has excessive over sharpening, but if what I saw was just like the HD10, then all those JVC HD Cam people better invest in a good make up artist and A LOT of Black Flags.

August 13th, 2003, 08:04 PM	#105
Michael Hyun Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 46	"and maybe it was just the HDTV LCD screen itself, was how bad the highlights were blowing out. I gotta say, from what I saw, I didn’t like it. The dynamic range/latitude of this camera" I agree, that there is a tendency to blow out highlights. One thing I did notice though, is that this effect is hugely affected by the device you view the image on. Through the vlan player on my computer's lcd, a lot of detail completely washed out in the highlights. However, when viewing the same clip on my HDTV, the effect was much more subtle, even closing in on the margin of being acceptable. From my experience with the camera, the 3 things you really have to watch and control carefully are focus (the AF is useless), exposure and white balance. All 3 can really be hit or miss and produce massive variances on final image quality- they can be wildly beautiful or downright awful. General rule of thumb- it is better to slightly underexpose then slightly overexpose. Experience and patience are probably the 2 best qualities to posess when using this camera.