JVC HDcam offers "true" 16:9

Frank Granovski · April 5th, 2003, 03:31 PM

Steve, sorry, but what I get is mainly NTSC 4:3, with a few shows that are cropped. I'm not going to spend a year's salary on something that is niche---especially on a 1 chip MPEG2 cam. HD is not here yet for the masses, and besides, content sucks these days.

Steve Mullen · April 15th, 2003, 03:15 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : Steve, sorry, but what I get is mainly NTSC 4:3, with a few shows that are cropped. I'm not going to spend a year's salary on something that is niche---especially on a 1 chip MPEG2 cam. HD is not here yet for the masses, and besides, content sucks these days. -->>>

I believe your Rogers cable carries HD. If so, you can get HD.

But, it's possible Canada will go the way of Europe and stay with NTSC/PAL.

Frank Granovski · April 15th, 2003, 04:10 PM

Actually, SHAW Cable bought out Roger's here some time ago. Also, I think you can get HD via satelite. But getting the HD stuff is VERY EXPENSIVE WITH POOR CONTENT - no better than "regular TV." Unless content improves, I'll stick with basic cable to watch the puppet heads on CNN, although I prefer the CBC.

Bryan Beasleigh · April 15th, 2003, 04:53 PM

HD has been legislated by Big Brother. Canada has about the same services in the larger population centers.

You cross the border and the only difference is the beer gets stronger, the money looks funny and we say Eh a lot. We get all of the US networks and in every major market area as well as specialty and home grown TV.

Frank still uses a coat hanger for a TV antenna and runs windows 3.1 on his puter. Rumour is it's a 386.

(Frank and I were friends until this little blurb)
I love ya Frank

My opinion is that I haven't really used all of the capabilities of my VX2K. On an HD ready TV good mini DV footage looks stunning.

In a few years when a system is standardized and good cameras , decks and commonly accepted media is available Ill migrate. But not until. all of the arguing and dreamin in the world will not change my mind.

If I had listen to all of the "now' trends that have been published on the various DV threads i'd be a poor man by now. I recall a highly vocal supports of the 24 P revolution selling his XL1S's and buying the first of the DVX100's. He sold them within the first month.

Look to the future but concentrate on what's available now, otherwise you'll do nothing but dream and no video will ever be recorded.

"If you seriously plan to work in HD -- or even SD -- you need to make some investments. Like an HDTV. A D-VHS deck or Blu-ray DVD recorder to make HD DVDs."

"For the consumer, they've got the HDTV and maybe a D-VHS deck."

These statements are the opinions of a few, the minority of the population that are driven to buy what technology offers, the minute it is released and whether or not it a standardized product. This doesn't mean I have to accept what they tell me.

Maya Taylor · April 15th, 2003, 07:10 PM

<<But let's say you were taking a week long sailing vacation. Would you really want to shoot anything but HD if you have an HDTV?>>

If the picture quality looked as bad as what I saw at NAB, then yes, I would rather shoot in high quality DV or progressive DV than shoot with the JVC cam! But like you said in an earlier post, it's only a "work in progress" model...So I won't pass judgement on the camera yet. I just hope they improve it because so far, in my humble opinion, it's a disapointement.

Frank Granovski · April 18th, 2003, 07:54 PM

Here's something from left field but interesting:

David Mullen wrote:

"Since the government legislated switch to HDTV programming and broadcast

Could someone else confirm this? I always thought that the government mandated a switch to DTV, not HDTV, of which broadcasters had the option of using the extra bandwidth given to them for more SD channels or for fewer HD channels."

Bruce A. Johnson responds:

"Exactly correct. There is NO government mandate for hi-def, just digital over-the-air broadcast. and cable and satellite companies aren't even required to do that.

Standard def is here for the long haul. HD may be nice-looking, but it isn't going to be the standard in broadcasting or reception for easily a decade and probably longer.

BAJ"

Steve Bell · April 18th, 2003, 09:44 PM

How are David and Stve Mullen related?

Chris Hurd · April 18th, 2003, 09:59 PM

They both work in video, that's about the extent. I've met both of them and believe me, there's not much physical resemblance!

Steve Bell · April 19th, 2003, 02:07 PM

David is 1/2 Japanese. I heard he's Steve's son or is somehow else related.

NTSC is getting converted to DTV which is either SDTV or HDTV. No one makes SDTV sets; they are all HDTV ready -- and become HDTV sets with the addition of a digital tuner, sold separately. HDTV is being introduced a lot faster than people reaize. Go to FCC.gov and search HDTV.

Jeff Donald · April 19th, 2003, 03:39 PM

If I remember my history correctly the original mandate was for HDTV, but before a standard could be agreed upon DTV snuck up on the industry and regulating bodies. DTV was agreed upon as an intermediate step. However, people lost interest in HDTV and DTV will be it for a while, as Steve says. HDTV is certainly coming but without the full force of a legislative mandate.

Steve Mullen · April 21st, 2003, 02:38 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Bell : David is 1/2 Japanese. I heard he's Steve's son or is somehow else related. -->>>

It would be a huge surprise to me if David were my son. And, a big surprize to David's mother -- and real father.

It is true there is no legal mandate for HDTV -- only DTV. However, at an earlier time Congess claims it believed it was moving HDTV forward.

But it history doesn't matter now. The programs that make sense to be in HD are mostly already in HD. (Except for FOX -- but, 35mm/24pHD sent as 480p60 looks very good.) It turns out we didn't need the government to push HD.

And even without Must Carry, many cable companies are carrying HD OTA plus HBO and Showtime. The big deal now is getting cable to carry Discover, ESPN, National Geo, and HDnet. And that's purely an matter of negotiations -- not a technical issue.

I think this fall we will see most all prime-time to be HD. Plus HD On-Demand is coming plus PayperView HD.

Since there is no legal requirement HD, of course it can't be a "standard" but it will be the "norm" for all major networks.

April 15th, 2003, 03:15 PM	#17
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : Steve, sorry, but what I get is mainly NTSC 4:3, with a few shows that are cropped. I'm not going to spend a year's salary on something that is niche---especially on a 1 chip MPEG2 cam. HD is not here yet for the masses, and besides, content sucks these days. -->>> I believe your Rogers cable carries HD. If so, you can get HD. But, it's possible Canada will go the way of Europe and stay with NTSC/PAL. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

April 18th, 2003, 09:59 PM	#23
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April 19th, 2003, 03:39 PM	#25
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	If I remember my history correctly the original mandate was for HDTV, but before a standard could be agreed upon DTV snuck up on the industry and regulating bodies. DTV was agreed upon as an intermediate step. However, people lost interest in HDTV and DTV will be it for a while, as Steve says. HDTV is certainly coming but without the full force of a legislative mandate. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 21st, 2003, 02:38 PM	#26
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Bell : David is 1/2 Japanese. I heard he's Steve's son or is somehow else related. -->>> It would be a huge surprise to me if David were my son. And, a big surprize to David's mother -- and real father. It is true there is no legal mandate for HDTV -- only DTV. However, at an earlier time Congess claims it believed it was moving HDTV forward. But it history doesn't matter now. The programs that make sense to be in HD are mostly already in HD. (Except for FOX -- but, 35mm/24pHD sent as 480p60 looks very good.) It turns out we didn't need the government to push HD. And even without Must Carry, many cable companies are carrying HD OTA plus HBO and Showtime. The big deal now is getting cable to carry Discover, ESPN, National Geo, and HDnet. And that's purely an matter of negotiations -- not a technical issue. I think this fall we will see most all prime-time to be HD. Plus HD On-Demand is coming plus PayperView HD. Since there is no legal requirement HD, of course it can't be a "standard" but it will be the "norm" for all major networks. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

April 5th, 2003, 03:31 PM	#16
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Steve, sorry, but what I get is mainly NTSC 4:3, with a few shows that are cropped. I'm not going to spend a year's salary on something that is niche---especially on a 1 chip MPEG2 cam. HD is not here yet for the masses, and besides, content sucks these days.

April 15th, 2003, 04:10 PM	#18
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Actually, SHAW Cable bought out Roger's here some time ago. Also, I think you can get HD via satelite. But getting the HD stuff is VERY EXPENSIVE WITH POOR CONTENT - no better than "regular TV." Unless content improves, I'll stick with basic cable to watch the puppet heads on CNN, although I prefer the CBC.

April 15th, 2003, 04:53 PM	#19
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	HD has been legislated by Big Brother. Canada has about the same services in the larger population centers. You cross the border and the only difference is the beer gets stronger, the money looks funny and we say Eh a lot. We get all of the US networks and in every major market area as well as specialty and home grown TV. Frank still uses a coat hanger for a TV antenna and runs windows 3.1 on his puter. Rumour is it's a 386. (Frank and I were friends until this little blurb) I love ya Frank My opinion is that I haven't really used all of the capabilities of my VX2K. On an HD ready TV good mini DV footage looks stunning. In a few years when a system is standardized and good cameras , decks and commonly accepted media is available Ill migrate. But not until. all of the arguing and dreamin in the world will not change my mind. If I had listen to all of the "now' trends that have been published on the various DV threads i'd be a poor man by now. I recall a highly vocal supports of the 24 P revolution selling his XL1S's and buying the first of the DVX100's. He sold them within the first month. Look to the future but concentrate on what's available now, otherwise you'll do nothing but dream and no video will ever be recorded. "If you seriously plan to work in HD -- or even SD -- you need to make some investments. Like an HDTV. A D-VHS deck or Blu-ray DVD recorder to make HD DVDs." "For the consumer, they've got the HDTV and maybe a D-VHS deck." These statements are the opinions of a few, the minority of the population that are driven to buy what technology offers, the minute it is released and whether or not it a standardized product. This doesn't mean I have to accept what they tell me.

April 15th, 2003, 07:10 PM	#20
Maya Taylor New Boot Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 21	<<But let's say you were taking a week long sailing vacation. Would you really want to shoot anything but HD if you have an HDTV?>> If the picture quality looked as bad as what I saw at NAB, then yes, I would rather shoot in high quality DV or progressive DV than shoot with the JVC cam! But like you said in an earlier post, it's only a "work in progress" model...So I won't pass judgement on the camera yet. I just hope they improve it because so far, in my humble opinion, it's a disapointement.

April 18th, 2003, 07:54 PM	#21
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Here's something from left field but interesting: David Mullen wrote: "Since the government legislated switch to HDTV programming and broadcast Could someone else confirm this? I always thought that the government mandated a switch to DTV, not HDTV, of which broadcasters had the option of using the extra bandwidth given to them for more SD channels or for fewer HD channels." Bruce A. Johnson responds: "Exactly correct. There is NO government mandate for hi-def, just digital over-the-air broadcast. and cable and satellite companies aren't even required to do that. Standard def is here for the long haul. HD may be nice-looking, but it isn't going to be the standard in broadcasting or reception for easily a decade and probably longer. BAJ"

April 18th, 2003, 09:44 PM	#22
Steve Bell New Boot Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 22	How are David and Stve Mullen related?

April 19th, 2003, 02:07 PM	#24
Steve Bell New Boot Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 22	David is 1/2 Japanese. I heard he's Steve's son or is somehow else related. NTSC is getting converted to DTV which is either SDTV or HDTV. No one makes SDTV sets; they are all HDTV ready -- and become HDTV sets with the addition of a digital tuner, sold separately. HDTV is being introduced a lot faster than people reaize. Go to FCC.gov and search HDTV.