How can I get 720p 59.94 from my HD100? at DVinfo.net

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 05:24 PM

I have shot a project and now ready to send to http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/html/specs.html

They do not except 720p 23.98

1080i/59.94
HD D-5
1080p/24
1080p/23.98 psf
1080i/59.94
HDV
1080i or 720P/59.94

How can I get the 59.94 from this 720p 23.98 footage???

Im in a pickle guys please help......

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 05:48 PM

Im so screwed I have footage on firestore and tape all 720p 23.98
how can I get a 59.94 from this footage or cam???

Ian Planchon · March 12th, 2008, 07:41 PM

umm, I am assuming you shot it in 24p? because I dont know if you are gonna be able to CHANGE the frame rate out of the camera. you might be able to take it into an NLE and export it out at that frame rate? but thats gonna look weird, because it was not shot 60p. these people dont take 30?

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM

These are the only HD formats they ecxept..

1080i/59.94
HD D-5
1080p/24
1080p/23.98 psf
1080i/59.94
HDV
1080i or 720P/59.94

I did shoot 30p though! I just need to double the frames somehow...
Thx for a reply!

Ian Planchon · March 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM

my thought would be, send in the footage, 10 bucks says they never know (as long as everything else looks fine).

or, you could just not send it. were you "hired" by them, or did you shoot something, and are trying to sell it to them?

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 09:26 PM

I just assumed proHD 720p was fine!
So wrong I am!
I know component out is 720p 59.94 when the camera is playing!
I not sure what I would have to do to capture it?

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 09:29 PM

http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...-hd100_faq.pdf
I wonder If I could pay someone to capture the 59.94 out for a good price?

Oscar Honorio Pantoja · March 12th, 2008, 09:34 PM

for components in the black magic HD

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 09:48 PM

I wonder If I could pay someone to capture the 59.94 out for a good price?

1 / 60 min tape capture by that type of device !

Jack Walker · March 12th, 2008, 10:19 PM

How did you shoot the video?
720p 24
or
720p 30

If it is 720p 24, can't you just uprez it to 1080p 24?

What format does the final video have to be in?

In your list is says that "HDV" is accepted? What is meant by this? 720p 24 can be in the HDV format?

I'm not clear on what you have actually shot and what the required delivery format is. Do you have a spec sheet that you can link to?

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 10:28 PM

http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/forms/NCM...t_Spec_v6x.pdf

Thx for the help!

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 10:32 PM

http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/forms/QR_...xternalAds.pdf

Sean Adair · March 12th, 2008, 10:45 PM

Steven. Your camera does not RECORD 60fps, only the 200 series does that. Your tapes are what they are and real motion frames can't be added after the fact. Yes, it is possible to get 60p HD from the component out of your camera WHEN SHOOTING LIVE, but it takes some serious hardware, and the analog component out is a limiting factor.

It's interesting 720/24 isn't included, and it appears that the formats at the bottom after HDV are the acceptable HDV formats. Your camera can't record either of these natively. I'm curious who the client is with these specs - broadcast?

Now, how best to solve your problem if it still exists. You mostly say it was shot at 24p (23.98), although at one stage you say 30p.

720 30p will transfer to 1080i reasonably well, giving about the same amount of detail but if there are rapid camera movements or lots of motion in the footage, it will be noticeable as a different acquisition framerate.

If you shot 720/24p, I'd look at uprezzing to 1080/24p. The Frame rate will be as expected, and if the footage is technically good, it should pass muster.

How you deliver this converted material is another story. Ideally, it would be put on a drive for them in a lossless or near lossless codec that they can use in their editing system. I WOULDN'T go out to 1080i hdv, since the 2nd recompression will take a big toll in the conversion. A D5 tapedeck will be a pricey option if you need to go that route.
good luck

Steven Houser · March 12th, 2008, 10:56 PM

I found that we have the option to film another night before I transfer..

So what will be the best for looks?

1080i 59.94 conversion
or
1080p 23.98 uprezzing

what best recomended software should I use for either?

I have dvfilm maker that crashes or resizer 2.0 AE

Thanks alot for the help!

Sean Adair · March 12th, 2008, 11:01 PM

I just saw the 2 files you posted. Very interesting. Is 9t raw footage or an edit you are supplying? In any case the 2nd doc has at the bottom clearly:
No JVC 720p (or DVCproHD) accepted.

In this case, you are best off submitting to their digital file standard.
Simply change to their 59.94fps (keeping 720p) exporting to quicktime uncompressed. The frame rate will get a pull down, and have a "filmlook" frame cadence. Check that the pull-down is properly constructed - you may have to give this special treatment.

March 12th, 2008, 05:24 PM	#1
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	How can I get 720p 59.94 from my HD100? I have shot a project and now ready to send to http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/html/specs.html They do not except 720p 23.98 1080i/59.94 HD D-5 1080p/24 1080p/23.98 psf 1080i/59.94 HDV 1080i or 720P/59.94 How can I get the 59.94 from this 720p 23.98 footage??? Im in a pickle guys please help...... __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork Last edited by Steven Houser; March 12th, 2008 at 05:25 PM. Reason: misspelled

March 12th, 2008, 05:48 PM	#2
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	Help! Im so screwed I have footage on firestore and tape all 720p 23.98 how can I get a 59.94 from this footage or cam??? __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork

March 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM	#4
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	Nope! These are the only HD formats they ecxept.. 1080i/59.94 HD D-5 1080p/24 1080p/23.98 psf 1080i/59.94 HDV 1080i or 720P/59.94 I did shoot 30p though! I just need to double the frames somehow... Thx for a reply! __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork

March 12th, 2008, 09:26 PM	#6
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	Hired by them! I just assumed proHD 720p was fine! So wrong I am! I know component out is 720p 59.94 when the camera is playing! I not sure what I would have to do to capture it? __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork

March 12th, 2008, 09:29 PM	#7
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	here is spec out... http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...-hd100_faq.pdf I wonder If I could pay someone to capture the 59.94 out for a good price? __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork

March 12th, 2008, 07:41 PM	#3
Ian Planchon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: an Alaskan living in Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 513	umm, I am assuming you shot it in 24p? because I dont know if you are gonna be able to CHANGE the frame rate out of the camera. you might be able to take it into an NLE and export it out at that frame rate? but thats gonna look weird, because it was not shot 60p. these people dont take 30?

March 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM	#5
Ian Planchon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: an Alaskan living in Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 513	my thought would be, send in the footage, 10 bucks says they never know (as long as everything else looks fine). or, you could just not send it. were you "hired" by them, or did you shoot something, and are trying to sell it to them?

March 12th, 2008, 09:34 PM	#8
Oscar Honorio Pantoja Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lima, Perú Posts: 37	for components in the black magic HD __________________ 4:3 don´t go!!

March 12th, 2008, 09:48 PM	#9
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	30 sec add in theatre.. I wonder If I could pay someone to capture the 59.94 out for a good price? 1 / 60 min tape capture by that type of device ! __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork

March 12th, 2008, 10:19 PM	#10
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	How did you shoot the video? 720p 24 or 720p 30 If it is 720p 24, can't you just uprez it to 1080p 24? What format does the final video have to be in? In your list is says that "HDV" is accepted? What is meant by this? 720p 24 can be in the HDV format? I'm not clear on what you have actually shot and what the required delivery format is. Do you have a spec sheet that you can link to?

March 12th, 2008, 10:28 PM	#11
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	Page 3 http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/forms/NCM...t_Spec_v6x.pdf Thx for the help! __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork

March 12th, 2008, 10:32 PM	#12
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	Another one http://adspecs.ncm.com/www/forms/QR_...xternalAds.pdf __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork

March 12th, 2008, 10:45 PM	#13
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	Steven. Your camera does not RECORD 60fps, only the 200 series does that. Your tapes are what they are and real motion frames can't be added after the fact. Yes, it is possible to get 60p HD from the component out of your camera WHEN SHOOTING LIVE, but it takes some serious hardware, and the analog component out is a limiting factor. It's interesting 720/24 isn't included, and it appears that the formats at the bottom after HDV are the acceptable HDV formats. Your camera can't record either of these natively. I'm curious who the client is with these specs - broadcast? Now, how best to solve your problem if it still exists. You mostly say it was shot at 24p (23.98), although at one stage you say 30p. 720 30p will transfer to 1080i reasonably well, giving about the same amount of detail but if there are rapid camera movements or lots of motion in the footage, it will be noticeable as a different acquisition framerate. If you shot 720/24p, I'd look at uprezzing to 1080/24p. The Frame rate will be as expected, and if the footage is technically good, it should pass muster. How you deliver this converted material is another story. Ideally, it would be put on a drive for them in a lossless or near lossless codec that they can use in their editing system. I WOULDN'T go out to 1080i hdv, since the 2nd recompression will take a big toll in the conversion. A D5 tapedeck will be a pricey option if you need to go that route. good luck __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)

March 12th, 2008, 10:56 PM	#14
Steven Houser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Castle IN. Posts: 178	commercial prior to a movie in a theatre I found that we have the option to film another night before I transfer.. So what will be the best for looks? 1080i 59.94 conversion or 1080p 23.98 uprezzing what best recomended software should I use for either? I have dvfilm maker that crashes or resizer 2.0 AE Thanks alot for the help! __________________ Steven Lee Houser http://vimeo.com/testwork

March 12th, 2008, 11:01 PM	#15
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	I just saw the 2 files you posted. Very interesting. Is 9t raw footage or an edit you are supplying? In any case the 2nd doc has at the bottom clearly: No JVC 720p (or DVCproHD) accepted. In this case, you are best off submitting to their digital file standard. Simply change to their 59.94fps (keeping 720p) exporting to quicktime uncompressed. The frame rate will get a pull down, and have a "filmlook" frame cadence. Check that the pull-down is properly constructed - you may have to give this special treatment. __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)

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