Diffrences between 100 and 101? at DVinfo.net

Andreas Fernbrant · September 26th, 2005, 09:09 PM

Pardon me for asking, but what are the diffrences between the
100 and 101 model?

John M Burkhart · September 26th, 2005, 09:22 PM

I believe these cameras only differ in the european (pal) market.

The 100 has HDV out only. (firewire to your NLE)

The 101 has HDV out and in. (firewire to and from your NLE)

The reason has to do with some extra taxes that the EU slaps onto video "recorders". So most camcorder manufacturers make a european model that doesn't have video in, so it can be cheaper.

Guy Barwood · September 26th, 2005, 10:14 PM

I think
100U is NTSC with 1394 in and out
100E is PAL with 1394 out only
101E is PAL with 1394 in and out

NTSC/PAL is of course in DV mode. I don't think the 100U supports HDV 25p though.

Barry Green · September 26th, 2005, 11:13 PM

Guy's post is correct on all counts except one: the 100U does support 720/25p.

Guy Barwood · September 26th, 2005, 11:41 PM

thanks Barry, I wasn't sure on that, it was only a little thought in the back of my mind.

Barry Green · September 27th, 2005, 12:15 AM

It was a little surprising, but pleasantly so. The HD100U, HD100E, and HD101E all support the same 720p framerates (24/25/30), and the same "SD" modes: 576/50 and 480/60.

As for DV, that's where they differ; the HD100U(sa) has NTSC DV at 24P or 60i, the HD100E(urope) and HD101E instead have PAL DV at 25P or 50i.

No iteration of the camera has both NTSC and PAL DV modes, but they do share the SD modes so it's almost as good...

And, again, the difference between a 100E and a 101E is that the 101E allows for DV input (and costs more).

Guy Barwood · September 27th, 2005, 05:15 AM

The 101E is only avaliable here as we don't have any VCR tax's on cameras with 1394 in like the EU do so there is no reason to bring the 100E into Australia, it would cost the same as a 100E anyway.

Michael Maier · September 27th, 2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Green

It was a little surprising, but pleasantly so. The HD100U, HD100E, and HD101E all support the same 720p framerates (24/25/30),

That's something Panasonic and Canon should learn. Europeans WANT 24p.

Specially Panasonic. I heard that (Not an official thing. Somebody who works at a Panasonic repair center told me he heard it) besides the HVX200 PAL having no 24p, it will also only feature 1080 50i instead of 1080p. If they do that, they can kiss goodbye to the PAL market.

JVC's move was very wise.

Robert Niemann · September 28th, 2005, 04:20 PM

The PAL version of the Panasonic AG-HVX200 will have 1080/25p. Please have a look here: http://panasonic-broadcast.com/data/...5B3B88F8.0.doc.

Barry Green · September 28th, 2005, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Maier

Europeans WANT 24p.

But you are aware that a European shooting 24p would not be able to broadcast it, would not be able to make a DVD of it, etc. Couldn't even play it back on a TV straight from the camera. It would have to be converted to 25p in order for Europeans to watch it or do anything with it. Which would mean having to stretch the audio and having it change the running time of your program... 25p is the right choice for Europe; 24p in Europe means having to change the program before you can do anything with it.

Unless, of course, you're talking about transferring to film, which a) nobody does, and b) nobody does, and c) costs $30,000 to $50,000 to do. So wanting 24p in Europe means you'd be embracing a whole lot of restrictions in exchange for little to no practical benefit.

Michael Maier · September 28th, 2005, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green

But you are aware that a European shooting 24p would not be able to broadcast it, would not be able to make a DVD of it, etc.

Being a European, I'm well aware of that. ;)

But it's nice to have the option of 24p. Not only 24p. JVC did the right thing including 24p, 25p, 30p. Why can't the others learn too?
A couple of examples of when Europeans could use 24p. For example, if making a short film for the festival circuit. A short is not that expensive to have transferred to film. Another example, when shooting adds to be shown on local theatres before films. Or when shooting something for overseas.
There is much use for 24p in Europe. But the companies continue to ignore that. I'm glad at least one finally realized it and included 24p in a PAL camera for once.

September 26th, 2005, 09:09 PM	#1
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	Diffrences between 100 and 101? Pardon me for asking, but what are the diffrences between the 100 and 101 model? Last edited by Andreas Fernbrant; September 27th, 2005 at 02:45 AM.

September 26th, 2005, 09:22 PM	#2
John M Burkhart Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 97	I believe these cameras only differ in the european (pal) market. The 100 has HDV out only. (firewire to your NLE) The 101 has HDV out and in. (firewire to and from your NLE) The reason has to do with some extra taxes that the EU slaps onto video "recorders". So most camcorder manufacturers make a european model that doesn't have video in, so it can be cheaper.

September 26th, 2005, 10:14 PM	#3
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	I think 100U is NTSC with 1394 in and out 100E is PAL with 1394 out only 101E is PAL with 1394 in and out NTSC/PAL is of course in DV mode. I don't think the 100U supports HDV 25p though.

September 26th, 2005, 11:13 PM	#4
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Guy's post is correct on all counts except one: the 100U does support 720/25p.

September 26th, 2005, 11:41 PM	#5
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	thanks Barry, I wasn't sure on that, it was only a little thought in the back of my mind.

September 27th, 2005, 12:15 AM	#6
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	It was a little surprising, but pleasantly so. The HD100U, HD100E, and HD101E all support the same 720p framerates (24/25/30), and the same "SD" modes: 576/50 and 480/60. As for DV, that's where they differ; the HD100U(sa) has NTSC DV at 24P or 60i, the HD100E(urope) and HD101E instead have PAL DV at 25P or 50i. No iteration of the camera has both NTSC and PAL DV modes, but they do share the SD modes so it's almost as good... And, again, the difference between a 100E and a 101E is that the 101E allows for DV input (and costs more).

September 27th, 2005, 05:15 AM	#7
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	The 101E is only avaliable here as we don't have any VCR tax's on cameras with 1394 in like the EU do so there is no reason to bring the 100E into Australia, it would cost the same as a 100E anyway.

September 28th, 2005, 04:20 PM	#9
Robert Niemann Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany Posts: 109	The PAL version of the Panasonic AG-HVX200 will have 1080/25p. Please have a look here: http://panasonic-broadcast.com/data/...5B3B88F8.0.doc.