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Trevor Allin · October 7th, 2005, 12:48 AM

Hi

I am figuring out whether to buy the HD100 or the new Panasonic HVX 200. If I can find an affordable way to capture component out on my windows based laptop or to a hard drive then I will probably go JVC. Any ideas?

Thanks

Trevor

Guy Barwood · October 7th, 2005, 05:41 AM

HD or SD.

SD is pretty easy, something as cheap as Liquid Edition Pro can capture uncompressed analgue comonent as long as your HDD can keep up.

HD is more difficult, and I'm not in the best postition to give you advise.

Thomas Smet · October 7th, 2005, 08:22 AM

There is no way for a current laptop to capture uncompressed HD at this point. Not only is there is device for a laptop to capture this way even on the market but you would need at the very least a fast 4 drive raid-0 to even start to think of capturing uncompressed HD.

Now if somebody would make a HD interface card for a Apple laptop you could always capture live as DVCPROHD the exact same format that the HVX200 uses. DVCPROHD may even work on your internal hard drive although that might be pushing it a little bit.

BT Corwin · October 7th, 2005, 09:34 PM

[QUOTE=Trevor Allin]Hi

"I am figuring out whether to buy the HD100 or the new Panasonic HVX 200. If I can find an affordable way to capture component out on my windows based laptop or to a hard drive then I will probably go JVC. Any ideas?"

Trevor:
The JVC HD100 does not output a live component signal, it just outputs a component (analog) signal played back via tape.

I think the only signal you can capture live is via firewire, either HDV or DV, but not HD. If you really want to capture an HD signal, you will have to wait for either the Pannie 200 or the Canon.

You can downconvert the HDV signal into DV or virtually any miniDV format, or capture the HDV video, via firewire. They are all 3.6mb/sec, using the DV25 codec.

I could be wrong about the live analog component output; I'm having a hard time reading the manual and figuring out what the various settings are for and do. :) but I've only been able to see a component signal via tape playback.

Barry Green · October 7th, 2005, 10:08 PM

The JVC definitely outputs a live component signal. You can hook it up to a monitor and watch it live. If you had the $20,000 worth of computer hardware and RAID drives set up, you could capture that signal.

Barry Green · October 7th, 2005, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevor Allin

Hi

I am figuring out whether to buy the HD100 or the new Panasonic HVX 200. If I can find an affordable way to capture component out on my windows based laptop or to a hard drive then I will probably go JVC. Any ideas?

As a practical matter, it's not gonna happen. Capturing live uncompressed high-def footage is not something anyone's going to be doing to a laptop or to a hard drive -- you're talking about a data rate of nearly 200 megabytes per second! That's more than the PCI bus could even handle. It takes a dedicated RAID of hard disks, around 8 of them, to handle that task.

BT Corwin · October 7th, 2005, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green

The JVC definitely outputs a live component signal. You can hook it up to a monitor and watch it live. If you had the $20,000 worth of computer hardware and RAID drives set up, you could capture that signal.

Hmmm. I have a JVC HD100. I have a component monitor. I have it connected. I do not get a picture, unless I switch it to VCR and playback a tape. I can see the composite picture just fine, when I switch the ouput to composite, but not the component.

Can you provide some more info on what settings I might not have correct?

btw, I do actually have the $20,000 (or more) hardware and RAID. But for now, I'd just like to see the component analog picture on my large Sony component monitor. Or my small Sony component monitor.

thanks,

Barry Green · October 7th, 2005, 10:51 PM

Well, I don't know... I've got an HD100, and I connect the cables to my component TV, and the live picture shows up just fine... every HD100 I've seen at trade shows has also been connected via the component cables to monitors, for viewing the live output. It definitely works...

So there's either something in your menus, or in your cables, or in your monitor, that's not set right. But the capability is most definitely there.

BT Corwin · October 7th, 2005, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green

Well, I don't know... I've got an HD100, and I connect the cables to my component TV, and the live picture shows up just fine... every HD100 I've seen at trade shows has also been connected via the component cables to monitors, for viewing the live output. It definitely works...

So there's either something in your menus, or in your cables, or in your monitor, that's not set right. But the capability is most definitely there.

Barry, is your camera set to DV? Or HDV?
I can see the component picture if the camera is set to record DV.
I want to have the camera set to record HDV-720P/30 and monitor the picture via the component output.
I can only see a component picture if either I am playing back an HDV tape, or the camera is set to record DV.

thanks

Stephen L. Noe · October 7th, 2005, 11:28 PM

Check your menu's for 'output terminal' It is set to composite instead of component or auto.

Check page 54 of the manual for details...

BT Corwin · October 7th, 2005, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe

Check your menu's for 'output terminal' It is set to composite instead of component or auto.

Check page 54 of the manual for details...

As I said in previous posts...

Analog output works fine in HDV if set to composite output.
Analog output works fine in DV if set to component or composite output.
Analog output doesn't work in HDV when set to auto or component, which is the one combo I'm interested in.

thanks,

Tim Dashwood · October 7th, 2005, 11:50 PM

I tested this myself tonight on a component NTSC monitor and it looks like the HD100 doesn't downconvert 720P to NTSC for component out. They don't mention this in the manual - I just looked. It is too bad. It does downconvert to NTSC or PAL on the composite output though.

Tim

BT Corwin · October 8th, 2005, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

I tested this myself tonight on a component NTSC monitor and it looks like the HD100 doesn't downconvert 720P to NTSC for component out. They don't mention this in the manual - I just looked. It is too bad. It does downconvert to NTSC or PAL on the composite output though.

Tim

thanks Tim. That's what I was afraid of. I had hoped it was just operator error though.

I hope you add that to your wishlist.

Barry Green · October 8th, 2005, 12:03 AM

Ah, perhaps that's the issue? I had it connected to an HDTV, not a standard-def component monitor...

Stephen L. Noe · October 8th, 2005, 12:45 AM

And I assumed the same as Barry. I though you were connecting to HDTV. Sorry..

October 7th, 2005, 12:48 AM	#1
Trevor Allin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Component capture Hi I am figuring out whether to buy the HD100 or the new Panasonic HVX 200. If I can find an affordable way to capture component out on my windows based laptop or to a hard drive then I will probably go JVC. Any ideas? Thanks Trevor

October 7th, 2005, 09:34 PM	#4
BT Corwin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 38	component capture [QUOTE=Trevor Allin]Hi "I am figuring out whether to buy the HD100 or the new Panasonic HVX 200. If I can find an affordable way to capture component out on my windows based laptop or to a hard drive then I will probably go JVC. Any ideas?" Trevor: The JVC HD100 does not output a live component signal, it just outputs a component (analog) signal played back via tape. I think the only signal you can capture live is via firewire, either HDV or DV, but not HD. If you really want to capture an HD signal, you will have to wait for either the Pannie 200 or the Canon. You can downconvert the HDV signal into DV or virtually any miniDV format, or capture the HDV video, via firewire. They are all 3.6mb/sec, using the DV25 codec. I could be wrong about the live analog component output; I'm having a hard time reading the manual and figuring out what the various settings are for and do. :) but I've only been able to see a component signal via tape playback.

October 7th, 2005, 05:41 AM	#2
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	HD or SD. SD is pretty easy, something as cheap as Liquid Edition Pro can capture uncompressed analgue comonent as long as your HDD can keep up. HD is more difficult, and I'm not in the best postition to give you advise.

October 7th, 2005, 08:22 AM	#3
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	There is no way for a current laptop to capture uncompressed HD at this point. Not only is there is device for a laptop to capture this way even on the market but you would need at the very least a fast 4 drive raid-0 to even start to think of capturing uncompressed HD. Now if somebody would make a HD interface card for a Apple laptop you could always capture live as DVCPROHD the exact same format that the HVX200 uses. DVCPROHD may even work on your internal hard drive although that might be pushing it a little bit.

October 7th, 2005, 10:08 PM	#5
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	The JVC definitely outputs a live component signal. You can hook it up to a monitor and watch it live. If you had the $20,000 worth of computer hardware and RAID drives set up, you could capture that signal.

October 7th, 2005, 10:51 PM	#8
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Well, I don't know... I've got an HD100, and I connect the cables to my component TV, and the live picture shows up just fine... every HD100 I've seen at trade shows has also been connected via the component cables to monitors, for viewing the live output. It definitely works... So there's either something in your menus, or in your cables, or in your monitor, that's not set right. But the capability is most definitely there.

October 7th, 2005, 11:28 PM	#10
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	Check your menu's for 'output terminal' It is set to composite instead of component or auto. Check page 54 of the manual for details...

October 7th, 2005, 11:50 PM	#12
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	I tested this myself tonight on a component NTSC monitor and it looks like the HD100 doesn't downconvert 720P to NTSC for component out. They don't mention this in the manual - I just looked. It is too bad. It does downconvert to NTSC or PAL on the composite output though. Tim

October 8th, 2005, 12:03 AM	#14
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Ah, perhaps that's the issue? I had it connected to an HDTV, not a standard-def component monitor...

October 8th, 2005, 12:45 AM	#15
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	And I assumed the same as Barry. I though you were connecting to HDTV. Sorry..