Burn-In TC on NTSC downconverted output at DVinfo.net

Tim Dashwood · November 15th, 2005, 08:56 AM

I'd like to make a VHS dub with viz TC of 720P24 material I shot yesterday.
It seems like a simple task for any video camera other than the VX1000!

According to the manual turning OUTPUT CHAR ON will only output the menu screen or warning display to the analog outputs.
That's just plain crazy! Am I asking for too much here?
Has anyone else figured this out?

Sean McHenry · November 15th, 2005, 08:59 AM

Tim, I thik you got the wrong forum for this one. If you run your tape from a DSR-20 or better, you can get a TC window using the "char" or "mon" outputs. No additional stuff on the screen. I have no clue on the VX1000. Been a while since I have seen one. Sorry.

Sean

Tim Dashwood · November 15th, 2005, 09:06 AM

The VX1000 comment was a joke. That camera was considered revolutionary at the time (3-CCD under $5000), but it only showed TC in a little LCD window and couldn't superimpose it.

I'm trying to dub my material out from the HD100 with burn-in TC. Does anyone have the BR-50 deck to see if it works on it?

Sean McHenry · November 15th, 2005, 03:36 PM

We have one here but I believe it is also all or nothing in the menu. You can get the manual on the JVC Professional web site if you're curious to read up on the deck.

Sean McHenry

Steve Mullen · November 15th, 2005, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

The VX1000 comment was a joke. That camera was considered revolutionary at the time (3-CCD under $5000), but it only showed TC in a little LCD window and couldn't superimpose it.

I'm trying to dub my material out from the HD100 with burn-in TC. Does anyone have the BR-50 deck to see if it works on it?

I also think it's all or nothing.

Tim Dashwood · November 15th, 2005, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean McHenry

We have one here but I believe it is also all or nothing in the menu. You can get the manual on the JVC Professional web site if you're curious to read up on the deck.

Sean McHenry

Sean, I downloaded the manual and it looks like it does have an option for outputting burn-in TC in any screen position - just like a pro deck should.
I guess I'll have to sell my Xl2 and buy one of these decks now!

Dan Robinson · November 16th, 2005, 03:09 AM

There is a freeware app called 'Timecode Frame Generator' that you can use to add the timecode burn-ins in post. Basically it creates an AVI or bitmap sequence that you just overlay and key out the background color. Requires time-intensive rendering (especially for long clips) but it is the only way I've been able to do it.

http://www.2writers.com/download.htm

Tim Dashwood · November 16th, 2005, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Robinson

There is a freeware app called 'Timecode Frame Generator' that you can use to add the timecode burn-ins in post. Basically it creates an AVI or bitmap sequence that you just overlay and key out the background color. Requires time-intensive rendering (especially for long clips) but it is the only way I've been able to do it.

http://www.2writers.com/download.htm

I want to just make VHS with viz TC straight from the camera so the director can choose the preferred takes before anything is ever logged or digitized.
It seems the BR-50 deck is the only solution.

John Mitchell · November 17th, 2005, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

I want to just make VHS with viz TC straight from the camera so the director can choose the preferred takes before anything is ever logged or digitized.
It seems the BR-50 deck is the only solution.

VHS ... what are they?

Looks like it's back to tricks like manually syncing code through a deck to burn it in.. (something I still do with my Avid)

Derek Miner · March 8th, 2006, 02:28 AM

I am also looking for a way to do the elusive "window burn" of footage using this camera. I would be happy with being able to take the video from the viewfinder out to an external recorder, as timecode is always displayed there. Does anyone know of a way to tap into the viewfinder cable connector?

Marc Colemont · March 8th, 2006, 10:07 AM

I do a workaround with my Matrox RT.X100 Xtreme Pro by recording the tape through the analog port, and outputing it again from the PPro timeline with time-code window in real-time.
It would be much easier with a TC window from the camera. Sounds like a firmware request. JVC...hello please read :-)

Daniel Patton · March 8th, 2006, 07:25 PM

Tim,

How many are you looking at doing? And what is the time frame? I have the deck.

Tim Dashwood · March 8th, 2006, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Patton

Tim,

How many are you looking at doing? And what is the time frame? I have the deck.

I need to do these types of dubs all the time, but I'll have to invest in a deck soon. Ideally we could output TC to the director/client monitor for logging while shooting, but no such luck.

Daniel Patton · March 8th, 2006, 09:44 PM

I hear you.

Sounds like it's time to get that deck then. Ours has worked great with the one exception from today, and the reboot had it singing once again. Without, it's like trying to run track without shoes, it can be done, but in a way painful.

Josh Mellicker · April 30th, 2006, 04:42 PM

If you do window dubs on a regular basis, if you ever need to watch a series of video clips and take notes, or if you need to get dailies or raw footage to clients or collaborators for comments, you know what a huge hassle it can be- doing window burns, waiting hours for renders, making DVDs, spending hours encoding, and then there's the hassle of the review process- having to continually hit pause on a DVD remote and write down the timecode you see on the screen.

This free application could solve many problems:

QT Movie NoteTaker (free, OS X/WinXP, 8 sec. to download, no registration/installation)

If it really helps you out, please post a comment on the page above!

November 15th, 2005, 08:56 AM	#1
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	Burn-In TC on NTSC downconverted output I'd like to make a VHS dub with viz TC of 720P24 material I shot yesterday. It seems like a simple task for any video camera other than the VX1000! According to the manual turning OUTPUT CHAR ON will only output the menu screen or warning display to the analog outputs. That's just plain crazy! Am I asking for too much here? Has anyone else figured this out?

November 15th, 2005, 08:59 AM	#2
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	Tim, I thik you got the wrong forum for this one. If you run your tape from a DSR-20 or better, you can get a TC window using the "char" or "mon" outputs. No additional stuff on the screen. I have no clue on the VX1000. Been a while since I have seen one. Sorry. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

November 15th, 2005, 03:36 PM	#4
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	We have one here but I believe it is also all or nothing in the menu. You can get the manual on the JVC Professional web site if you're curious to read up on the deck. Sean McHenry __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

March 8th, 2006, 02:28 AM	#10
Derek Miner New Boot Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5	HD100 TC window I am also looking for a way to do the elusive "window burn" of footage using this camera. I would be happy with being able to take the video from the viewfinder out to an external recorder, as timecode is always displayed there. Does anyone know of a way to tap into the viewfinder cable connector?

March 8th, 2006, 07:25 PM	#12
Daniel Patton Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Knoxville TN Posts: 589	Tim, How many are you looking at doing? And what is the time frame? I have the deck. __________________ Our eyes allow us to see the world - The lens allows others to see the world through our eyes. RED ONE #977

November 15th, 2005, 09:06 AM	#3
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	The VX1000 comment was a joke. That camera was considered revolutionary at the time (3-CCD under $5000), but it only showed TC in a little LCD window and couldn't superimpose it. I'm trying to dub my material out from the HD100 with burn-in TC. Does anyone have the BR-50 deck to see if it works on it?

November 16th, 2005, 03:09 AM	#7
Dan Robinson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 131	There is a freeware app called 'Timecode Frame Generator' that you can use to add the timecode burn-ins in post. Basically it creates an AVI or bitmap sequence that you just overlay and key out the background color. Requires time-intensive rendering (especially for long clips) but it is the only way I've been able to do it. http://www.2writers.com/download.htm

March 8th, 2006, 10:07 AM	#11
Marc Colemont Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 695	I do a workaround with my Matrox RT.X100 Xtreme Pro by recording the tape through the analog port, and outputing it again from the PPro timeline with time-code window in real-time. It would be much easier with a TC window from the camera. Sounds like a firmware request. JVC...hello please read :-)

March 8th, 2006, 09:44 PM	#14
Daniel Patton Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Knoxville TN Posts: 589	I hear you. Sounds like it's time to get that deck then. Ours has worked great with the one exception from today, and the reboot had it singing once again. Without, it's like trying to run track without shoes, it can be done, but in a way painful. __________________ Our eyes allow us to see the world - The lens allows others to see the world through our eyes. RED ONE #977

April 30th, 2006, 04:42 PM	#15
Josh Mellicker DV Creators Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 91	If you do window dubs on a regular basis, if you ever need to watch a series of video clips and take notes, or if you need to get dailies or raw footage to clients or collaborators for comments, you know what a huge hassle it can be- doing window burns, waiting hours for renders, making DVDs, spending hours encoding, and then there's the hassle of the review process- having to continually hit pause on a DVD remote and write down the timecode you see on the screen. This free application could solve many problems: QT Movie NoteTaker (free, OS X/WinXP, 8 sec. to download, no registration/installation) If it really helps you out, please post a comment on the page above!