Using the JVC deck or not?

Jim Giberti · April 11th, 2006, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Forman

The Firestores certainly do sound like they are a simple workflow, faster and easier than a deck. BUT- it is a hard drive, and hard drives will fail at one point or another... usually when you need it the most, and have nothing backed up. Damn you Murphy!

Anyways, just having a tape in your cam as a backup, can save the day. And, if you need to capture that tape's footage, you either need a deck, or your cam. So, I can't see any reason to not have a deck, aside from not being able to afford one.

For budget minded shooters, this is the big plus with the new Firestores. In my experience, while always a concern on any project, hard drive failure has, thankfully never cost us a minute of work over the years.
Now obviously a field operated hard drive is a thing unto itself, but I'm assuming that by its nature it has been designed robustly.

So, of course, you drop a $5 mini dv tape into your drive while capturing to hard drive and in that hopefully rare instance that you have a drive failure you can use your HD100 as capture device for your backup without the cost of a deck.

Jon Glen · April 11th, 2006, 10:37 AM

yeah Jim that's kind'a what i was thinking also, that record your footage to your firestore and have a tape in there recording at the same time (your back up to the hard drive) i think you HAVE to have a tape in there anyway? is that correct? could be wrong

when you finish a project in FC can you take the saved file/footage and back it up on tape? that can be done with the deck? yes the BR-HD50 Deck.

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 10:44 AM

Is there a way to control it with a serial cable maybe with a usb connector...could that be a problem. I'm under the impression time code is a little "funny" with hdv. Most of my footage is 30p so I'm not dealing with the 24 issue.

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 10:46 AM

Although I'm surprised I cannot even pull up a picture on the computer.

External monitor looks good....man I live hdv. It may not be real HD but for the price and size it looks fine to me.

I also have some dv footage which still won't show up when run throught he deck. My dsr 11 looks fine.

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 10:47 AM

I know the upgrade to the jvc prohd camera has something to do with editing. Could the deck need upgrading too? Are they offering it?

I bouth the stuff back in dec.

Marc Colemont · April 11th, 2006, 11:41 AM

Does the deck play the mini-Dv and full DV casettes OK? No drop outs on DV on Sony tapes?
I wanna know in case I replace my current Sony DV deck

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 11:50 AM

So far as the deck by itself, not including the nle issues. I love it. It's a real deck, component out, serial out, fire out etc. The only thing missing is a jog shuttle. Dv is fine.

But like i said so far, it is still new to me. I really like the fact it plays full cassettes too.

David Kidd · April 11th, 2006, 01:08 PM

I have the deck and edit to Premiere 2.0. It works great with dv and dvcam.
But I still cannot get Adobe to see it while it is in HDV Mode. After I totally uninstalled and re instlled the program and after 1 hour on the phone with Adobe I am still unable to see it. Adobe told me that JVC is not on the list of "tested" equipment. But the deck is great with standard DV.

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 02:21 PM

Humm, I can't see it in dv mode either. Maybe it is the cable. It's usually the last thing you think of right.

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 02:25 PM

Ok got DV picture but still not deck control.

Daniel Patton · April 11th, 2006, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Glen

i'm curious how many of you JVCHD100 users picked up the JVC deck as well for playback/capture...or are you just using the camera to play back and capture in to your NLE?

I also have the deck, but if I had a choice between a DTE disk system or the deck (it was not an option for me at the time) I would go with the DTE disk. More so if you do not need to deliver finished on the mini DV tape format. I look at all the time I spend shooting AND digitizing... ACK! 4 hours of shoot time followed by 3-4 hours of EDL / digitizing. DTE disk here I come.

Stewart Menelaws · April 11th, 2006, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Morrissette

Ok got DV picture but still not deck control.

Jeff... have you got the Remote/Local switch set correctly?... just a thought...

Stu...
www.studioscotland.co.uk

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 04:28 PM

yep. cable is fine too.

grunt.

Jeff Morrissette · April 11th, 2006, 04:33 PM

I may have to suck it up and get a pc for now.

ugh the thought.
at least I don't mind avid.

Thanks everyone.

Hopefully the intel g5's come out by the end of the week.
I hate to spend the money twice.

I'll give tech support one last call.

Tim Dashwood · April 11th, 2006, 05:06 PM

Jeff,

I tried the deck out for a day with Final Cut Pro and it worked beautifully. I even worked out an offline/online workflow for 720P24 using TC via the RS-422 and Decklink with automated pulldown removal.

I was also able to make the deck work as expected in full firewire HDV mode as well as DV mode. I just had to switch the remote switch to the right setting. The REM SEL HDV/DV just needs to be turned ON in the REMOTE menu.

However, for the best pre-roll accuracy when using RS-422, I had to set the CONTROLLER SEL in REMOTE menu to TYPE7. You may want to try the same thing.

April 11th, 2006, 10:37 AM	#17
Jon Glen Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver Posts: 40	yeah Jim that's kind'a what i was thinking also, that record your footage to your firestore and have a tape in there recording at the same time (your back up to the hard drive) i think you HAVE to have a tape in there anyway? is that correct? could be wrong when you finish a project in FC can you take the saved file/footage and back it up on tape? that can be done with the deck? yes the BR-HD50 Deck. __________________ They are Them Moving Pictures theyarethem.com

April 11th, 2006, 05:06 PM	#30
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	Jeff, I tried the deck out for a day with Final Cut Pro and it worked beautifully. I even worked out an offline/online workflow for 720P24 using TC via the RS-422 and Decklink with automated pulldown removal. I was also able to make the deck work as expected in full firewire HDV mode as well as DV mode. I just had to switch the remote switch to the right setting. The REM SEL HDV/DV just needs to be turned ON in the REMOTE menu. However, for the best pre-roll accuracy when using RS-422, I had to set the CONTROLLER SEL in REMOTE menu to TYPE7. You may want to try the same thing. __________________ Tim Dashwood

April 11th, 2006, 10:44 AM	#18
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	Is there a way to control it with a serial cable maybe with a usb connector...could that be a problem. I'm under the impression time code is a little "funny" with hdv. Most of my footage is 30p so I'm not dealing with the 24 issue.

April 11th, 2006, 10:46 AM	#19
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	Although I'm surprised I cannot even pull up a picture on the computer. External monitor looks good....man I live hdv. It may not be real HD but for the price and size it looks fine to me. I also have some dv footage which still won't show up when run throught he deck. My dsr 11 looks fine.

April 11th, 2006, 10:47 AM	#20
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	I know the upgrade to the jvc prohd camera has something to do with editing. Could the deck need upgrading too? Are they offering it? I bouth the stuff back in dec.

April 11th, 2006, 11:41 AM	#21
Marc Colemont Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 695	Does the deck play the mini-Dv and full DV casettes OK? No drop outs on DV on Sony tapes? I wanna know in case I replace my current Sony DV deck

April 11th, 2006, 11:50 AM	#22
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	So far as the deck by itself, not including the nle issues. I love it. It's a real deck, component out, serial out, fire out etc. The only thing missing is a jog shuttle. Dv is fine. But like i said so far, it is still new to me. I really like the fact it plays full cassettes too.

April 11th, 2006, 01:08 PM	#23
David Kidd New Boot Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 23	I have the deck and edit to Premiere 2.0. It works great with dv and dvcam. But I still cannot get Adobe to see it while it is in HDV Mode. After I totally uninstalled and re instlled the program and after 1 hour on the phone with Adobe I am still unable to see it. Adobe told me that JVC is not on the list of "tested" equipment. But the deck is great with standard DV.

April 11th, 2006, 02:21 PM	#24
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	Humm, I can't see it in dv mode either. Maybe it is the cable. It's usually the last thing you think of right.

April 11th, 2006, 02:25 PM	#25
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	Ok got DV picture but still not deck control.

April 11th, 2006, 04:28 PM	#28
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	yep. cable is fine too. grunt.

April 11th, 2006, 04:33 PM	#29
Jeff Morrissette Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: venice, ca Posts: 83	I may have to suck it up and get a pc for now. ugh the thought. at least I don't mind avid. Thanks everyone. Hopefully the intel g5's come out by the end of the week. I hate to spend the money twice. I'll give tech support one last call.