720P/25 any one know how,when and if ?? at DVinfo.net

Robert Bale · May 21st, 2006, 04:38 PM

720p/25 Has any one got any idea how to capture 720p/25 ......................or when the fcp update is coming for FCP 5.0.4???????

I have the new JVC HD101 top camera but can't capture Not Happy with FCP People!

Is there a way to film at 720p/30 and then capture film into FCP using the 720p/30 preset and change the frame rate to 25 ???

I have tried a few settings so for no go yet.

David Knaggs · May 22nd, 2006, 02:16 AM

I'm not sure what the pulldown would be like trying to convert 720p30 to 720p25, but there is an FCP plug-in called Lumiere HD (which I haven't tried) that is supposed to enable you to work in 720p25. Tim Dashwood has made a number of posts about it (do a search of this forum to find them).

I see from another post that you already know about DVHSCap and MPEG Streamclip. You could use MPEG Sreamclip to convert into Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) at 25p and set up an FCP sequence for AIC720p25. I'm using this for a current job and it's working pretty well.

The exact steps for setting up the sequence are given in steps 27-32 of this thread (post #2) by Tim Dashwood:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=56015

But you need to alter step 31 and change the frame rate to 25 rather than 23.98.

I also put some earlier workflows I used for 25p in this post:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=65189

I believe Tim is compiling (or about to compile) a thread which fully summarizes the current FCP workflow solutions, so keep an eye out for it.

Antony Michael Wilson · May 22nd, 2006, 03:48 AM

Tell me about it! I'm an Avid user and they were promising 720/25p support 'within weeks' back in September 2005. Still nothing - not even in this summer's update. We are cutting a 1hr documentary with a massive shooting ratio, all shot in 720/25p. We have a work-around but it's a nightmare.

Nima Taheri · May 22nd, 2006, 10:45 AM

Antony:

I am also a hd101 user editing in Avid. What is your workaround for editing captured hdv from the hd101?

Here is what I do:

- Capture using Capdvhs into mpeg (via Firewire from the hd101)
- Convert the mpeg into quicktime uncompressed with Procoder 2
(- downconvert to SD if needed in Procoder 2)
- Import into Avid

This doesn't really give great quality, but it's the best I can do. Maybe I am wrong, but I am going to try Liquid for my next project, until Avid comes with a 720/25p support.

Antony Michael Wilson · May 22nd, 2006, 01:12 PM

Hi Nima

Yes, this is pretty much what I'm doing. It's an offline edit at the moment so I'm capturing with Edius, keeping a TC log (yawn), transcoding with Procoder to 14:1P, fast importing into AXPro, manually adjusting source tape and TC...

It's not good at all but it works.

To be honest, we've been using Avid for years, we own a bunch of turnkey systems and - personally - I don't think it's worth familiarising myself with something like Liquid just for the period before Avid supports 720/25p.

Of course, the most efficient way to offline would be to buy the BRHD50 deck...

Robert Bale · May 22nd, 2006, 04:22 PM

Thanks Dave i will give a go today..i will letyou know how i go.

Robert Bale · May 24th, 2006, 03:17 AM

Thanks dave and tim got it.

Filmed a band last night captured droped in FCP and made a DVD!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

thankyou

Panos Bournias · May 24th, 2006, 04:15 AM

Looks like the 5.2.5 update of the Xpress Pro HD will not support 25-50 fr. but will provide preview to monitor throught firewire and camera or deck. The Avid people though promised at the forum that the support is coming soon. I think FCP, Avid and Premier will come out together with the PAL support. If not the first one will get a big part of the european market. Using Edius and transcoding for me is a pain. I wait and shoot 30 fr. transcoding in MPG2 NTSC or PAL DVD's.

Robert Bale · May 24th, 2006, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Bale

Thanks dave and tim got it.

Filmed a band last night captured droped in FCP and made a DVD!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

thankyou

Sorry guys i ment to say that it was all in filmed and edited in 720p/25 and all worked fine.

rob.

Mouayed Zabtia · May 24th, 2006, 05:00 AM

Hello ever one
I was shoot my short film last week 720/25 Pal with my jvc hd100 and I edit with EDIUS NX for HDV and the result perfect , I think EDIUS is the best for NLE system , I use Canopus products from 8 years ago and aim so happy with this company , Canopus allows take care about us

May 21st, 2006, 04:38 PM	#1
Robert Bale Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: australia Posts: 407	720P/25 any one know how,when and if ?? 720p/25 Has any one got any idea how to capture 720p/25 ......................or when the fcp update is coming for FCP 5.0.4??????? I have the new JVC HD101 top camera but can't capture Not Happy with FCP People! Is there a way to film at 720p/30 and then capture film into FCP using the 720p/30 preset and change the frame rate to 25 ??? I have tried a few settings so for no go yet.

May 22nd, 2006, 04:22 PM	#6
Robert Bale Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: australia Posts: 407	re 720p/25 Thanks Dave i will give a go today..i will letyou know how i go.

May 24th, 2006, 04:15 AM	#8
Panos Bournias Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 109	Avid update Looks like the 5.2.5 update of the Xpress Pro HD will not support 25-50 fr. but will provide preview to monitor throught firewire and camera or deck. The Avid people though promised at the forum that the support is coming soon. I think FCP, Avid and Premier will come out together with the PAL support. If not the first one will get a big part of the european market. Using Edius and transcoding for me is a pain. I wait and shoot 30 fr. transcoding in MPG2 NTSC or PAL DVD's.

May 22nd, 2006, 02:16 AM	#2
David Knaggs Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 826	I'm not sure what the pulldown would be like trying to convert 720p30 to 720p25, but there is an FCP plug-in called Lumiere HD (which I haven't tried) that is supposed to enable you to work in 720p25. Tim Dashwood has made a number of posts about it (do a search of this forum to find them). I see from another post that you already know about DVHSCap and MPEG Streamclip. You could use MPEG Sreamclip to convert into Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) at 25p and set up an FCP sequence for AIC720p25. I'm using this for a current job and it's working pretty well. The exact steps for setting up the sequence are given in steps 27-32 of this thread (post #2) by Tim Dashwood: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=56015 But you need to alter step 31 and change the frame rate to 25 rather than 23.98. I also put some earlier workflows I used for 25p in this post: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=65189 I believe Tim is compiling (or about to compile) a thread which fully summarizes the current FCP workflow solutions, so keep an eye out for it.

May 22nd, 2006, 03:48 AM	#3
Antony Michael Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 343	Tell me about it! I'm an Avid user and they were promising 720/25p support 'within weeks' back in September 2005. Still nothing - not even in this summer's update. We are cutting a 1hr documentary with a massive shooting ratio, all shot in 720/25p. We have a work-around but it's a nightmare.

May 22nd, 2006, 10:45 AM	#4
Nima Taheri Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 136	Antony: I am also a hd101 user editing in Avid. What is your workaround for editing captured hdv from the hd101? Here is what I do: - Capture using Capdvhs into mpeg (via Firewire from the hd101) - Convert the mpeg into quicktime uncompressed with Procoder 2 (- downconvert to SD if needed in Procoder 2) - Import into Avid This doesn't really give great quality, but it's the best I can do. Maybe I am wrong, but I am going to try Liquid for my next project, until Avid comes with a 720/25p support.

May 22nd, 2006, 01:12 PM	#5
Antony Michael Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 343	Hi Nima Yes, this is pretty much what I'm doing. It's an offline edit at the moment so I'm capturing with Edius, keeping a TC log (yawn), transcoding with Procoder to 14:1P, fast importing into AXPro, manually adjusting source tape and TC... It's not good at all but it works. To be honest, we've been using Avid for years, we own a bunch of turnkey systems and - personally - I don't think it's worth familiarising myself with something like Liquid just for the period before Avid supports 720/25p. Of course, the most efficient way to offline would be to buy the BRHD50 deck...

May 24th, 2006, 03:17 AM	#7
Robert Bale Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: australia Posts: 407	Thanks dave and tim got it. Filmed a band last night captured droped in FCP and made a DVD! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED thankyou

May 24th, 2006, 05:00 AM	#10
Mouayed Zabtia Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 52	Hello ever one I was shoot my short film last week 720/25 Pal with my jvc hd100 and I edit with EDIUS NX for HDV and the result perfect , I think EDIUS is the best for NLE system , I use Canopus products from 8 years ago and aim so happy with this company , Canopus allows take care about us