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Old September 8th, 2006, 05:38 PM   #1
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24p and Motion Smoothing

Hi Guys -

I am shooting a short film on Saturday in 24P and after the tests that witnessed a lot of strobing, I plan on turning on the motion smoothing feature, as recommended in the JVC Handbook.

Any suggestions on shooting in 24P with the Motion Smoothing feature?

We have movement and dolly shots planned.

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Old September 8th, 2006, 06:07 PM   #2
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You better test it before you choose to use it. You won't see the effect of motion smooth until you play the tape back.

Personally, I avoid using it because it essentially creates "double-exposures" on each frame. The CCDs capture 48fps, every two frames are cross-dissolved and combined into a single frame before being written to tape at 24fps.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 06:16 PM   #3
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Okay...

Okay...but how do I prevent the jitter/strobing that takes place in 24P. I was following the handbook and it says to turn it on.

If I didn't use it, what settings should use to cause a film-like look at 24P with little to no strobing.

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Old September 8th, 2006, 06:40 PM   #4
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Maybe a slower shutter speed to create a blur with the motion ?

This is not my camera, but I am curious what will be said about resolving the issue you have.

But part of the problem may be resolved by slow pans and dolly shots.

Why do you have to shoot 24p. Going film out ?
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Old September 8th, 2006, 06:59 PM   #5
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Hi...

We wanted the film-look to it. Should we shoot in 30p and then covert to 24P using magic bullet?
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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:02 PM   #6
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We wanted the film-look to it. Should we shoot in 30p and then covert to 24P using magic bullet?
What do you mean by "the film look" to you mean the film frame rate or do you mean the lattitude?

Are you literally doing a film transfer?
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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:05 PM   #7
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24p

I'd suppose it'd be for the look and softness of 24P.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:15 PM   #8
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I'd suppose it'd be for the look and softness of 24P.
Are you going to be producing a DVD? a film transfer? Web delivery?
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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:16 PM   #9
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Web delivery only.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:22 PM   #10
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If it's web delivery only then I'd use 24p. There is no barrier to a 24p WMV, Flash or H.264 workflow (depending on NLE).

If it's to DVD, I'd choose the simpler 30p workflow.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:48 PM   #11
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Great...

We're definitely going to use 24p...but what about the strobing....

should we turn on the motion smoothing as the JVC handbook suggests or should we shoot without it and just use plain 24p with 1/48th shutter speed?

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Old September 8th, 2006, 08:29 PM   #12
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We're definitely going to use 24p...but what about the strobing....

should we turn on the motion smoothing as the JVC handbook suggests or should we shoot without it and just use plain 24p with 1/48th shutter speed?

Thank you.
Have you ever shot with a Bolex? You should shoot with 24 1/48 shutter w/o motion smoothing. This setting would be the same as shooting with a film camera. I'd think it would be more of a concern about the color gamut. Magic Bullet has some really great post filters. FilmFX also has stellar film stock post filters. Are you judging strobe by what you see on the LCD? or by the 24fps encoded WMV?
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Old September 8th, 2006, 09:02 PM   #13
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The strobe was in the 24fps AVI... and I viewed it on an LCD.

This is going to be shot for the Net so I suppose I have to keep LCDs in mind.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 09:14 PM   #14
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and...

Adding to my last comment, which you gave me an idea...I rendered it out as ITVC (or something like that) at 23.96 fps and the strobing was greatly reduced on an LCD. It looked pretty good w/out the motion smoothing at 24p.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 11:54 PM   #15
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WIth 24p you can't just throw motion around the frame like you can with video, you have to treat it very carefully because of the extremely low temporal resolution. I suspect that's the cause of your strobing.
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