Specs for new GY-HM100 ProHD Camcorder

Matt San · February 24th, 2009, 10:29 AM

MacVideo - Camera Technology - Features - Check out the JVC GY-HM700 and GY-HM100

in this video it was stated that the HM100 will be on sale around £2800-£2900 when released end of April

Jack Walker · February 24th, 2009, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt San

MacVideo - Camera Technology - Features - Check out the JVC GY-HM700 and GY-HM100

in this video it was stated that the HM100 will be on sale around £2800-£2900 when released end of April

At today's exchange rate, thats $4066-4212 U.S.

That would be about the same (or a bit more) than the initial pricing at B&H for the HM100. But B&H has since dropped the price $500.

Is there a difference between list price and street price in the UK?

Matt San · February 24th, 2009, 11:15 AM

I wouldnt compare US $ with UK £ directly as electronic goods are always more expensive here than in the US.

I think the B&H price is directly comparable to the UK price stated but I guess we'll have to wait n see for the actual pricing - I only commented as a guide really.

George Angeludis · February 24th, 2009, 08:38 PM

4000$ are always 4000 euros in Greece.
Some times even more.

USA Price for EX1 is 6100$ app.
This should be 4800 euros here in Greece or so but it is 6500 instead.

You can't go more crazy than that.

Alex Humphrey · February 25th, 2009, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Yanagi

Thanks for your suggestion, Alex. We'll see what we can do...

Craig,

Hi, just wondering if you thought it was likely that we would see some sort of trade in or rebate with our older equipment yet. Reason I just got a decent quote to sell my JVC JY-HD10u that I've had knocking around for a decent amount. Probably looking at a HM-100 or as I thinking more likely the HM-700. May or may not trade in/sell off my HD110 with accesories. Haven't decided on that one yet.

Justin Terreberry · February 25th, 2009, 11:36 PM

Will the HM100 have similar variable frame rate controls to that of the HM700 or is that still unknown at this point?

Also it appears that the HDMI port does not support 1080p video output, only 1080i, 720p and 480i. That I think, is a bit odd considering the camera can record up to 1080p30.

Robert M Wright · February 26th, 2009, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Humphrey

Craig,

Hi, just wondering if you thought it was likely that we would see some sort of trade in or rebate with our older equipment yet. Reason I just got a decent quote to sell my JVC JY-HD10u that I've had knocking around for a decent amount. Probably looking at a HM-100 or as I thinking more likely the HM-700. May or may not trade in/sell off my HD110 with accesories. Haven't decided on that one yet.

I've still got an HD10U also. What's a good price to sell them at nowadays?

Alex Humphrey · February 26th, 2009, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert M Wright

I've still got an HD10U also. What's a good price to sell them at nowadays?

The only bid I've recieved (most places don't want it) was $295. If the color wasn't soo noisy I would keep it even though it's 30p.

Jack Walker · March 6th, 2009, 02:21 PM

i saw the GY-HM100 at a local show. The camera looks smaller than ever.

Craig Yanagi was there and he put on a JVC wide angle on the camera. It was very small (due to the 46mm, I believe, of the front thread) and was excellent on the camera. He said it was .5x -- and it had surprisingly small amount of distortion. This was a missing link for me up to now.

Craig said the wide angle would be available at some point, and I think he mentioned a ballpark price that was comparable relatively to Canon's pricing on the wide angles it makes for the XH-A1 and HV30.

Schneider was also there looking at the camera, and the they said they may well have a wide angle available for the HM-100 by the time it comes out.

The mechanism to remove the handle and audio section from the camera is quick, easy and seems very sturdy.

I think this camera will have a market for people needing a small form factor with professional audio and video recording choices in a quick to transfer format. I'm hoping the camera proves to be "rugged" within the limits that can be expected of electronic gear. I hope it holds together as well as the PD150 did, for example.

I have high hopes for the image stabilzation, hoping it is very good.

On comparing the flip-out screen with the monitor set up, it seemed possible to use the flip-out scream for focusing. The screen seemed much better for this than some previous camera models.

It is still not clear what the low-light performance will be. The camera controls (zoom, e.g.) need to be tested in real situations. However, from what I saw the unit fits a need. I recently used an XH-A1 for some long distance travel and run-and-go shooting. The XH-A1 was just too big to be most effective, despite the outstanding pictures it makes. From what I've seen, for me at least, the small form factor HM-100 is going to be an excellent compromise with some superior features.

Robert Morane · March 6th, 2009, 03:09 PM

Indeed the 100 may be perfect for travellers. I will be going to Europe and India for 6 months and I was planning to bring my XHA1 and HV30 but I would certainly enjoy a less heavy load. I wont be leaving before fall so I also have some hope for a smaller camera from Canon or Sony; a MPEG2 at 25mbps would be enough for me, but I would really like a wide angle lense more usuful for what I do than a long lense.

Jack Walker · March 6th, 2009, 03:25 PM

I have made international trips with the XH-A1 and HV-30 and I am looking forward to the JVC HM-100.

I carry-on the cameras (with a DSLR) and the XH-A1 is at the limit. The wide angle further adds to the weight.

The HM-100 needs a computer and disks for off-loading files, but I take a 12" laptop anyway. And 2-1/2" USB powered hard disks aren't much any more bother than a box of tapes.

Since the HM-100 has PCM audio, it can double as an extra audio recorder as necessary.

One accessory I would like to see for the HM-100 is a neoprene, fit-like-a-glove cover for the body of the camera (with the audio handle removed). Perhaps a separate cover for the handle. this would make the HM-100 very easy to safely back in smaller size carry-ons or bags for transport during rough transit to a shooting location or situation.

Perhaps an after-market specialist could come up with the "Ultimate Guerilla Kit" for the HM-100. Everything needed to get there, shoot in the most demanding situations in the midst of chaos, then run while being chased.

For the high-end shooter, there also needs to be a satellite upload module/transmitter to upload video off the SDHC card to the home base.

Question for anyone who knows: Do solid state cameras get better battery life than tape-based cameras?

Justin Terreberry · March 6th, 2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Walker

Craig Yanagi was there and he put on a JVC wide angle on the camera. It was very small (due to the 46mm, I believe, of the front thread) and was excellent on the camera. He said it was .5x -- and it had surprisingly small amount of distortion. This was a missing link for me up to now.

Craig said the wide angle would be available at some point, and I think he mentioned a ballpark price that was comparable relatively to Canon's pricing on the wide angles it makes for the XH-A1 and HV30.

Schneider was also there looking at the camera, and the they said they may well have a wide angle available for the HM-100 by the time it comes out.

When I get the HM100 I definitely want to have a WA lens for indoor shots. Was there any mention of it being zoom through and/or having front threads for filters? Hopefully it will released at the same time when the HM100 is released.

I guess that the price will be somewhere between $150 and $350 then if it's relative to the Canon lenses.

Jack Walker · March 6th, 2009, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin Terreberry

When I get the HM100 I definitely want to have a WA lens for indoor shots. Was there any mention of it being zoom through and/or having front threads for filters? Hopefully it will released at the same time when the HM100 is released.

I guess that the price will be somewhere between $150 and $350 then if it's relative to the Canon lenses.

The WA at the show was zoom-through as near as I could tell (so that makes a a converter). I didn't notice if the WA had threads on the end, though it is small enough that a filter adapter of some kind should be available.

The WA threaded into the camera and did not use the bayonet mount that holds the shade. It appeared that the lens may not have been coated, so it's not clear if this was a finished product, a prototype or an adaption from an existing product. It seems to be exactly right for the HM-100, and it afforded a very wide-angle view compared to the built-in lens.

I think the list price I heard may have been in the high 300s, which would potentially make a street price around $300-325, but this is a complete guess. It is wider than the Canon, but it is much smaller than the Canon (for the XH-A1) It could be higher. (The Canon XH-A1 WA -- which is only .8x -- is $350.) The Canon WA converters seem to be aggressively priced, so who knows what JVC will offer. There is also the good possibility that Schneider/Century will have something by the time the camera is out.

Just to restate: I do not know the spec details on the WA I saw, other than to say it was very effective on the camera, was not a huge addition to the camera (like the Canon WA is on the XH-A1).

Jack Walker · March 14th, 2009, 02:14 PM

With the new brochure on the GY-HM100 that recently became available, some more details come to light:
http://pro.jvc.com/pro/attributes/CA...00_kcs8409.pdf

First, the wide angle converter (and tele converter)for the HM100 is appropriated from an existing converter for consumer/discontinued existing cameras, those that had the hard drive, it seems:
JVC Accessory Store

And as a note, the WA converter is .7x,not .5x. The list price $249.00, so the observation that it might be uncoated is probably right.

Also, for both new cameras, the brochures seem to confirm as pointed out by Steve Mullen in another post, the encoding done in the new cameras has no relation to the Sony camera encoding. JVC uses its own new encoder using its own encoding process. The similiarity to the Sony Codec would be only that the encoded information is of a compatible type, but this has nothing to do with how the image is encoded.

I don't think there will be any concrete information on the quality of the video with the new JVC camcorders until the production cameras are out and are used by experienced professionals.

To state the obvious, sales people know and give out sales-type information, but often that is a bit askew of reality.

I pre-ordered a GY-HM100, but there's still time, and I may opt out to wait for the "GY-HM110"--but who knows.

Robert Rogoz · March 14th, 2009, 04:17 PM

Personally I don't like converters, I wish this lens was 28mm (35mm equivalent) out of the box. 46mm thread is the same as for GZ7, so there should be plenty of converters out there. 58 seems to be also a popular size, so there should be plenty of these with an adopter ring. Unfortunately adding these things also adds weight.
Btw 0.7x brings the lens down to 28mm, which is a quite good wide angle without barrel distortion.

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February 24th, 2009, 10:29 AM	#151
Matt San Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wales UK Posts: 121	MacVideo - Camera Technology - Features - Check out the JVC GY-HM700 and GY-HM100 in this video it was stated that the HM100 will be on sale around £2800-£2900 when released end of April

February 24th, 2009, 11:15 AM	#153
Matt San Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wales UK Posts: 121	I wouldnt compare US $ with UK £ directly as electronic goods are always more expensive here than in the US. I think the B&H price is directly comparable to the UK price stated but I guess we'll have to wait n see for the actual pricing - I only commented as a guide really.

February 25th, 2009, 11:36 PM	#156
Justin Terreberry New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Welland Canada Posts: 11	Will the HM100 have similar variable frame rate controls to that of the HM700 or is that still unknown at this point? Also it appears that the HDMI port does not support 1080p video output, only 1080i, 720p and 480i. That I think, is a bit odd considering the camera can record up to 1080p30.

March 6th, 2009, 02:21 PM	#159
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	i saw the GY-HM100 at a local show. The camera looks smaller than ever. Craig Yanagi was there and he put on a JVC wide angle on the camera. It was very small (due to the 46mm, I believe, of the front thread) and was excellent on the camera. He said it was .5x -- and it had surprisingly small amount of distortion. This was a missing link for me up to now. Craig said the wide angle would be available at some point, and I think he mentioned a ballpark price that was comparable relatively to Canon's pricing on the wide angles it makes for the XH-A1 and HV30. Schneider was also there looking at the camera, and the they said they may well have a wide angle available for the HM-100 by the time it comes out. The mechanism to remove the handle and audio section from the camera is quick, easy and seems very sturdy. I think this camera will have a market for people needing a small form factor with professional audio and video recording choices in a quick to transfer format. I'm hoping the camera proves to be "rugged" within the limits that can be expected of electronic gear. I hope it holds together as well as the PD150 did, for example. I have high hopes for the image stabilzation, hoping it is very good. On comparing the flip-out screen with the monitor set up, it seemed possible to use the flip-out scream for focusing. The screen seemed much better for this than some previous camera models. It is still not clear what the low-light performance will be. The camera controls (zoom, e.g.) need to be tested in real situations. However, from what I saw the unit fits a need. I recently used an XH-A1 for some long distance travel and run-and-go shooting. The XH-A1 was just too big to be most effective, despite the outstanding pictures it makes. From what I've seen, for me at least, the small form factor HM-100 is going to be an excellent compromise with some superior features.

March 6th, 2009, 03:25 PM	#161
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	I have made international trips with the XH-A1 and HV-30 and I am looking forward to the JVC HM-100. I carry-on the cameras (with a DSLR) and the XH-A1 is at the limit. The wide angle further adds to the weight. The HM-100 needs a computer and disks for off-loading files, but I take a 12" laptop anyway. And 2-1/2" USB powered hard disks aren't much any more bother than a box of tapes. Since the HM-100 has PCM audio, it can double as an extra audio recorder as necessary. One accessory I would like to see for the HM-100 is a neoprene, fit-like-a-glove cover for the body of the camera (with the audio handle removed). Perhaps a separate cover for the handle. this would make the HM-100 very easy to safely back in smaller size carry-ons or bags for transport during rough transit to a shooting location or situation. Perhaps an after-market specialist could come up with the "Ultimate Guerilla Kit" for the HM-100. Everything needed to get there, shoot in the most demanding situations in the midst of chaos, then run while being chased. For the high-end shooter, there also needs to be a satellite upload module/transmitter to upload video off the SDHC card to the home base. Question for anyone who knows: Do solid state cameras get better battery life than tape-based cameras?

March 14th, 2009, 02:14 PM	#164
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	With the new brochure on the GY-HM100 that recently became available, some more details come to light: http://pro.jvc.com/pro/attributes/CA...00_kcs8409.pdf First, the wide angle converter (and tele converter)for the HM100 is appropriated from an existing converter for consumer/discontinued existing cameras, those that had the hard drive, it seems: JVC Accessory Store And as a note, the WA converter is .7x,not .5x. The list price $249.00, so the observation that it might be uncoated is probably right. Also, for both new cameras, the brochures seem to confirm as pointed out by Steve Mullen in another post, the encoding done in the new cameras has no relation to the Sony camera encoding. JVC uses its own new encoder using its own encoding process. The similiarity to the Sony Codec would be only that the encoded information is of a compatible type, but this has nothing to do with how the image is encoded. I don't think there will be any concrete information on the quality of the video with the new JVC camcorders until the production cameras are out and are used by experienced professionals. To state the obvious, sales people know and give out sales-type information, but often that is a bit askew of reality. I pre-ordered a GY-HM100, but there's still time, and I may opt out to wait for the "GY-HM110"--but who knows.

March 14th, 2009, 04:17 PM	#165
Robert Rogoz Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 457	Personally I don't like converters, I wish this lens was 28mm (35mm equivalent) out of the box. 46mm thread is the same as for GZ7, so there should be plenty of converters out there. 58 seems to be also a popular size, so there should be plenty of these with an adopter ring. Unfortunately adding these things also adds weight. Btw 0.7x brings the lens down to 28mm, which is a quite good wide angle without barrel distortion.