HM100 -- Same JVC Battery as HD110? at DVinfo.net

Jack Walker · April 24th, 2009, 01:52 PM

Does the HM100 use the same standard JVC battery as used on the HD110 uses without an adapter for a pro battery?

(For example, Sony makes two sizes, small and longer, but I don't know about JVC.)

Justin Terreberry · April 24th, 2009, 02:35 PM

The HM100 uses a BN-VF823U Data Battery (7.2V, 2190mAh), which I believe is from their consumer cameras. I don't think it batteries from the HD110 would work with it.

Sean Adair · April 24th, 2009, 07:18 PM

The anton bauer or IDX system batteries, which you need to "properly" use the 100 series remotely, and are required with the 200 series are compatible. The 700 comes with a A/B plate, the IDX plate will probably be available as a kit. Eyeballing them, the 200 series IDX plate looks like it would also fit on the 700.

Jack Walker · April 24th, 2009, 07:45 PM

Actually, I'm asking about the small JVC battery that comes with the HD100/100 -- battery that almost no one uses because it runs the camera only a few minutes. The JVC battery number is BN-V428. I don't know if this is the same size/mount as what is being used on the HM100. As suggested below, the HM100 may use a consumer only batter that is not compatible with the battery on the HD100/HD110.

I am looking at a light that has a JVC BN mount on it. But is the BN-V428 and the BN-VF823U the same mount size... or are they different? (That is, is there more than one size JVC BN mount?)

(Most people use an adapter and a v-lock or AB battery... which would be compatible with the new HM700.)

(In looking the battery number up, I just noticed the HD110, with the 16x lens, is now selling for $3000 at B&H, and that includes a soft carrying case... $500 less than the little HM100.. without a carrying case.)

Sean Adair · April 24th, 2009, 08:40 PM

my bad. 100 and 700 look far too similar to my bleary eyes tonight.
Are you hoping to get some mileage from older HD100 batteries? Even if they fit, they may not be great performers (older tech, and aging factor).
It is useful to know though. IMHO the HD100 batteries WERE consumer grade.
How about the batteries from the GY-HD1 & JY-HD10? These actually had a very similar form factor to the HM-100. Had one of these back in the day, but can't recall the specifics about those batts either.

Jack Walker · April 25th, 2009, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Adair

Are you hoping to get some mileage from older HD100 batteries?

I'm need to decide what mount to get on the portable light. I have the HD110 battery and charger, and if the HM100 uses the same charger and type of batteries, in the long run I'd prefer to use the same battery for camera and light.

However, I have many Canon batteries and many Sony batteries. A Canon camera, but no Sony camera, so I could use Canon or Sony on the light. But I don't use the JVC (I have AB for the JVC camera), so it would be nice to keep things simple with one type battery, and I would have two chargers... etc. etc. etc.

Tim Dashwood · April 25th, 2009, 08:34 AM

They are not the same.

The batteries for the HM100 perform well and last a long time. I was in 90 degree dry environment though so I can't speak for cold performance.

Kaushik Parmar · April 25th, 2009, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

They are not the same.

The batteries for the HM100 perform well and last a long time. I was in 90 degree dry environment though so I can't speak for cold performance.

It is same which I am using with my JVC GZ-HD7, performance is good, I keep two with me and fully charged so I am fine.

Kaushik

Jack Walker · April 25th, 2009, 11:25 AM

Is there a reference somewhere that shows the JVC battery numbers and the size and kind of mount each uses.

I wouldn't think this is such a complicated issue. But then, I asked CY at a show which battery the HM100 used, and he said, "just a regular battery, whatever."

How many different base sizes are there for JVC? (For example, Canon uses two different mounts for their cameras, the one on the XH-A1 and the smaller one as on the HV20. Similarly Sony has the larger size ("L" series) used on the PD150 and a smaller size ("M" series used on the palm size cameras.)

Jack Walker · April 25th, 2009, 12:48 PM

The HM100 specs say "when used with JVC DATA batteries," which strongly suggests that other batteries can be used. However, I can't find what mount is being used and what charger.

It seems that this should be easier to figure out. For example, I have a Sony charger that clearly charges both "L" and "M" series batteries. Everything is clear, the battery, the mount, the power, etc.

What's the deal with JVC that it has to be a mystery.

The whole approach seems condescending sometimes. At the show I was told that a new wide angle adapter had been designed and built for the HM100. In truth, this was just an existing consumer product used on other cameras.

If high level JVC reps (even in sales) can't be trusted on the little things, why should we believe anything else?

Robert Rogoz · April 25th, 2009, 05:39 PM

It is the same battery as GZ-HD7 models, same with wide angle adapter. At this point you can buy a whole bunch of non JVC batteries for 20-25 bucks a piece. And my experience tells me there is no difference in their performance. Same with wide angle adopter- which they try to push for $200!

April 24th, 2009, 01:52 PM	#1
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	HM100 -- Same JVC Battery as HD110? Does the HM100 use the same standard JVC battery as used on the HD110 uses without an adapter for a pro battery? (For example, Sony makes two sizes, small and longer, but I don't know about JVC.)

April 24th, 2009, 07:18 PM	#3
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	The anton bauer or IDX system batteries, which you need to "properly" use the 100 series remotely, and are required with the 200 series are compatible. The 700 comes with a A/B plate, the IDX plate will probably be available as a kit. Eyeballing them, the 200 series IDX plate looks like it would also fit on the 700. __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)

April 24th, 2009, 08:40 PM	#5
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	my bad. 100 and 700 look far too similar to my bleary eyes tonight. Are you hoping to get some mileage from older HD100 batteries? Even if they fit, they may not be great performers (older tech, and aging factor). It is useful to know though. IMHO the HD100 batteries WERE consumer grade. How about the batteries from the GY-HD1 & JY-HD10? These actually had a very similar form factor to the HM-100. Had one of these back in the day, but can't recall the specifics about those batts either. __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)

April 25th, 2009, 08:34 AM	#7
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	They are not the same. The batteries for the HM100 perform well and last a long time. I was in 90 degree dry environment though so I can't speak for cold performance. __________________ Tim Dashwood

April 24th, 2009, 02:35 PM	#2
Justin Terreberry New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Welland Canada Posts: 11	The HM100 uses a BN-VF823U Data Battery (7.2V, 2190mAh), which I believe is from their consumer cameras. I don't think it batteries from the HD110 would work with it.

April 24th, 2009, 07:45 PM	#4
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	Actually, I'm asking about the small JVC battery that comes with the HD100/100 -- battery that almost no one uses because it runs the camera only a few minutes. The JVC battery number is BN-V428. I don't know if this is the same size/mount as what is being used on the HM100. As suggested below, the HM100 may use a consumer only batter that is not compatible with the battery on the HD100/HD110. I am looking at a light that has a JVC BN mount on it. But is the BN-V428 and the BN-VF823U the same mount size... or are they different? (That is, is there more than one size JVC BN mount?) (Most people use an adapter and a v-lock or AB battery... which would be compatible with the new HM700.) (In looking the battery number up, I just noticed the HD110, with the 16x lens, is now selling for $3000 at B&H, and that includes a soft carrying case... $500 less than the little HM100.. without a carrying case.)

April 25th, 2009, 11:25 AM	#9
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	Is there a reference somewhere that shows the JVC battery numbers and the size and kind of mount each uses. I wouldn't think this is such a complicated issue. But then, I asked CY at a show which battery the HM100 used, and he said, "just a regular battery, whatever." How many different base sizes are there for JVC? (For example, Canon uses two different mounts for their cameras, the one on the XH-A1 and the smaller one as on the HV20. Similarly Sony has the larger size ("L" series) used on the PD150 and a smaller size ("M" series used on the palm size cameras.)

April 25th, 2009, 12:48 PM	#10
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	The HM100 specs say "when used with JVC DATA batteries," which strongly suggests that other batteries can be used. However, I can't find what mount is being used and what charger. It seems that this should be easier to figure out. For example, I have a Sony charger that clearly charges both "L" and "M" series batteries. Everything is clear, the battery, the mount, the power, etc. What's the deal with JVC that it has to be a mystery. The whole approach seems condescending sometimes. At the show I was told that a new wide angle adapter had been designed and built for the HM100. In truth, this was just an existing consumer product used on other cameras. If high level JVC reps (even in sales) can't be trusted on the little things, why should we believe anything else?

April 25th, 2009, 05:39 PM	#11
Robert Rogoz Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 457	It is the same battery as GZ-HD7 models, same with wide angle adapter. At this point you can buy a whole bunch of non JVC batteries for 20-25 bucks a piece. And my experience tells me there is no difference in their performance. Same with wide angle adopter- which they try to push for $200!