Tape for Sony Z1 at DVinfo.net
DV Info Net

Go Back   DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > The Long Black Line

The Long Black Line
Tape, tape and more tape; and decks; HDV, DV, VHS and more.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old December 11th, 2007, 01:05 PM   #1
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,409
Tape for Sony Z1

What tape are Sony Z1 owners using?
SD tape or HDV tape.
Have you had any problems with either?

Cheers
Simon
Simon Denny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 11th, 2007, 01:10 PM   #2
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,787
Using the regular Sony Premium tapes. No problems whatsoever in two and a half year's use on my Z1.
Boyd Ostroff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 11th, 2007, 01:39 PM   #3
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,409
Thanks Boyd.
Is it this one your using.
Sony 60 MIN PREMIUM GRADE MINI DV TAPE
The one with the red cover?

Or Is It Sony HDV tape?

Cheers
Simon
Simon Denny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 11th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #4
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,787
The packaging is different colors in different countries. In the US they come in a blue wrapper, the ones I got in Argentina had a red wrapper. They also come in either black plastic or multi-colored shells. Mine say "premium digial videocassette DVM60". They are just Sony's standard consumer miniDV tapes for general use.
Boyd Ostroff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 13th, 2007, 04:55 PM   #5
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,409
Ok I know that tape is cheap but If your planning on recording 50 hours plus of HDV then the cost starts getting expensive,how can I pass this onto the client since I'm down converting to SD anyway and producing DVD. I would be recording in HD in the Sony Z1.
If I use the standard Sony tapes my cost would a quarter of the HD cost.
But What about the drop out rate ofstanderd tapes or is this a myth.

Any thoughts on this?
Cheers
Simon
Simon Denny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 02:41 AM   #6
Major Player
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: France
Posts: 578
Hi Simon,

I've been using the same tapes as Boyd in my Z1 for the last couple of years and in my FX1 prior to this.... I've put literally dozens of tapes through the cameras and can honestly say drop outs are minimal and have never caused me a real headache.
If I do notice one or two I'll just use a cleaning tape.

I usually just downconvert in camera and this gives me very nice results...

For greenscreen work I'll import HDV, key the footage and downconvert in After Effects. I have noticed that when acquiring HDV sequences in Premiere 2.0 a drop causes audio sync to get knocked out slightly. Reacquiring the footage from just after the drop seems to fix this, or jigging the audio sync on the time line...

Finally the other main reason I use Premium tapes is I can pick them up in any supermarket in France... HDV tapes are pretty hard to get hold of, cost apart there are only a handful of shops in the whole country that stock them... It would mean ordering over the net, which when you are out on the road is not possible...so I guess until I go tapeless I'll stick with these cheap tapes.

cheers
Gareth
Gareth Watkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 02:52 AM   #7
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,409
Thanks Gareth.
I'm trying to locate which Sony tapes you use, here in Australia and I'm finding It a bit confusing which premium tapes that you use.
Seems to be a couple of them.
Could you provide a link so I could compare which ones they are.

Cheers
Simon
Simon Denny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 10:07 AM   #8
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,787
This is what I use: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._DV_Video.html

Wow, they've gotten really cheap at B&H, guess I should start ordering them there instead of buying at Circuit City for ~$4.00.

I have had nearly zero dropouts since buying my camera in June 2005. The couple times I noticed them, when I recaptured the same clip it was OK. BUT, just yesterday was editing the archive video from an opera I filmed a year ago and it had a genuine dropout in the middle of a 20 minute clip. I counted the frames in FCP, and about 25 of them seemed to be bad (video was frozen and no audio). I was in a hurry, so I finessed it using a clip from another night, but it might have been OK if I tried to recapture the bad section.

I have shot hundreds of hours of HDV, which I always downconvert in-camera. Our operas tend to be.... uh... long :-) So I've probably run 60 tapes just shooting them.

OTOH, you could make a pretty good case that the extra cost of the digital master tapes is justified if you're worried about dropouts. But I don't think there's any hard data comparing dropout frequency with tape type.
Boyd Ostroff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 10:35 AM   #9
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,409
Thanks Boyd,
This is the closest to what you use here in Sydney
http://www.videoguys.com.au/scripts/...idproduct=1548
Or this
http://www.videoguys.com.au/scripts/...?idproduct=750

The price here is outa control.

Cheers
Simon
Simon Denny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 12:00 PM   #10
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,787
Even though the packaging is different, I'd say the VideoGuys link is probably the same tape. Look in my post above where I reported the tapes were labeled "premium digial videocassette DVM60". The VideoGuys tapes are "DVM60R3".

Look on Sony's site here. All the DVM60xxx products seem to be the same tape: http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/subcat...mcorder-analog
Boyd Ostroff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 12:49 PM   #11
Major Player
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: France
Posts: 578
Hi Simon

These are what I use... in Europe we get a funky orange wrapper ...

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/webelemen...ail/B00000JFMC

they call them the DVM60PR1

Cheers
Gareth
Gareth Watkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 06:13 PM   #12
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,409
Thanks guys,
I think the DVM60PRO looks like the ones you guys are using.
I will try a couple out and see how it all goes.

Cheers
Simon
Simon Denny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 08:20 PM   #13
Major Player
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 477
Sony Premiums for daily stuff, for clients I use Sony Digital Master part number PHDVM-63DM
Steve Wolla is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 09:20 PM   #14
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,409
Hi Steve,
I have been looking at those as well but I need to log 50hrs plus and in Australia the price on these are gettinh up there. I will have to speak to the client and see what they would prefer.

Cheers
Simon
Simon Denny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 14th, 2007, 10:36 PM   #15
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Claremore, Oklahoma
Posts: 131
I also use the same tapes as the majority on this thread uses. They are GREAT, and cheap...even cheaper now that I see the price at BH
Joseph Hutson is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY USA

Scan Computers Int. Ltd.
+44 0871-472-4747
Bolton, Lancashire UK


DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > The Long Black Line

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:39 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network