The Gigantic Mini DV Deck / Camcorder as Deck Thread - Page 21 at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > The Long Black Line

The Long Black Line
Tape, tape and more tape; and decks; HDV, DV, VHS and more.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old July 1st, 2004, 04:19 PM   #301
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hampshire, England
Posts: 1,543
Hi adam,

Do you have a budget in mind?

It really depends on how much money you are willing to spend. If you only want a sub $1000 deck then I would look at getting a cheap MiniDV camera. If you are looking at spending more, then Sony and JVC do some nice professional models.

This sort of topic has come up many times, please try our search.
__________________
Ed Smith
Hampshire, UK

Good things come to those who wait

My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk


For quick answers Search dvinfo.net | The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors
Ed Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 13th, 2004, 02:18 PM   #302
New Boot
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 22
Deck Playback w_XL-1s footage

Recently I shot a project on the XL-1s and turned the footage over to the editor. He called back and said he was seeing noise on my tapes. So, I took the XL-1s down to his studio and everything played fine. No noise, no dropout. He was able to capture and edit fine after I brought my camera to him. I have also had this issue with two other studios since then. Footage shot on the XL-1s shows noise and dropout when played back on a DVCam or MiniDV deck. What could be the issue here?
__________________
Clint Till
Parc Entertainment
Clint Till is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 13th, 2004, 03:41 PM   #303
Major Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Albany NY
Posts: 311
Sounds like a head alignment issue - your camera will play tapes it recorded, but other decks will not. Try viewing a tape recorded by another camera in your XL-1s - bet it doesn't play properly.
Mike Cavanaugh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 13th, 2004, 04:52 PM   #304
New Boot
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 22
I took your suggestion and tried playing some footage I shot with an old consumer end JVC, but I didn't see any problems. No dropout or noise. Could there be some sort of compatibility issue with the XL-1s and other decks?
__________________
Clint Till
Parc Entertainment
Clint Till is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 13th, 2004, 05:00 PM   #305
New Boot
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 22
I just tried to play back some tapes shot at a wedding with my XL-1s on my consumer end JVC camcorder and it played fine. However, I tried playing some tapes shot for my short film and I had good picture but no audio. Now, the wedding footage was shot in normal movie mode, but the short film footage was shot in frame mode. Also, all the other tapes that editors had trouble playing were shot in frame mode. Do you think that could be part of the problem?
__________________
Clint Till
Parc Entertainment
Clint Till is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 13th, 2004, 05:38 PM   #306
New Boot
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 22
Ok, I looked at the XL-1s manual and at the bottom of page 44 it says "Frame video may not appear completely smooth during normal playback." Could this be why my tapes are filled with noise and dropout on other decks? Could someone educate me on this frame mode playback issue? Has anyone else ever experienced this?
__________________
Clint Till
Parc Entertainment
Clint Till is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 13th, 2004, 05:50 AM   #307
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Long Beach, CA USA
Posts: 64
about dv deck...

i read many threads about dv deck vs cheap dv cam; and i've been considering about buying a deck for a long time now. originally the plan was to go for a cheap dv cam; however recently i heard from some guy at the canon service center saying that dv cams are not made for heavy duty capturing purposes. he then explained, "the tear and wear on the drum assembly will increase greatly if the cam is used for back n' forth, back n' forth seeking capturing. depends on usage, camera could break in a short while or could last for years. Deck, on the other side, is designed for capturing..."
well, just out of curiosity, how many folks actually break the camera by capturing?
over the past two years i've piled up more than 20 tapes of footages that need to be captured within the following two - three weeks. i really need something reliable, sturdy, compatible with both pc and mac.
i almost went out and bought the sony mini dv walkman, but then i read people also recommend AG-DV1000 by panasonic.
if i have the budget for GV-D1000 by sony, what are my other options?
and how do these options compare?

thanks people!
__________________
Charlie Wu
Charlie Wu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20th, 2004, 02:14 PM   #308
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Somerville, MA
Posts: 148
Cheapest Sony MiniDv camera with DV in and out?(To use as a deck)

What's the cheapest Sony MiniDv camera with DV in and out to use as a deck and as an all purpose vacation/whatever camera?
Also I would want it to be brand new if the price is good.
Any suggestions/links appreciated.
__________________
Sony VX-1000
G5 1.8 dual
91 Turbo MR2
Ray Echevers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2004, 01:29 PM   #309
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA
Posts: 572
this is the cheapest new model...

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...ycamCamcorders

...but for your uses, you may be better suited searching online for an older model, or one from a different brand. You could probably find something with more features for a lower price. I think Panasonic has stripped down MiniDV model for something like $285.
Jesse Bekas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13th, 2004, 08:19 PM   #310
New Boot
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Land O Lakes, Florida
Posts: 14
using a low priced camera as a deck???

I reciently purchased an XL1S from this site and like everybody else try not to use the camera as a playback deck. I just bought an inexpensive (brand new) dv camcorder to use as a playback deck and the picture looks good but the audio seems to skip and blank out as its being played. Does anyone know if this is fixable? or do I need to purchase a different camera or brand?

Thanks to all for your help
Christopher Baker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 14th, 2004, 03:08 AM   #311
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Vancouver BC
Posts: 47
Start by cleaning the heads on the XL1 and the new camera too.
Chris McKee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 1st, 2004, 10:31 AM   #312
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Georgia
Posts: 76
XL2 recorded footage on a miniDV Deck

Hi,

here is a Question, since the XL2 records 16x9 (native)
with some more resolution right. If I use a Sony GVD-1000
to capture the Footage.

Will that affect the images or so?
The same with recording footage in 24p/25p will there also be
a Issue?

Cause I might be buying an Xl2 (if the PAL version will hit US streets)
I would like to use a miniDV deck (stationary) to capture my Footage.

Thanks advance?

P.S. any body seen XL2 footage compared to the Sony's HDV?
__________________
Apple Pro
Shaggy Franks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 1st, 2004, 07:05 PM   #313
Barry Wan Kenobi
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 3,863
You can use any DV deck to play back XL2 footage. The choice of deck will have no effect on resolution, etc.
Barry Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 3rd, 2004, 12:13 PM   #314
New Boot
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 23
Using a ZR80 as a deck for XL2 footage

This is my first question to the forum. I've been involved in the film and tv industry for about 15 years, made a short drama and a doc for television, now I'm considering buying a Canon xl2.

Does anyone know if there are any quality issues with using a Canon ZR80 camera as a capture deck for footage shot (at any framerate) with the xl2? I've heard there will be quality loss??

BTW, capturing to Premiere 6.5 on a PC through Firewire.

If there are issues and I end up using the xl2 as the capture deck, how hard is this on the camera? Are there other solutions?

Thanks!
Kenneth Irvine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 3rd, 2004, 12:30 PM   #315
Warden
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Clearwater, FL
Posts: 8,267
The best solution (though the costliest) is to purchase a mini DV deck. Decks are much more robust, generally treat the tapes better, and will last the longest and require the least service. The camera would be my second choice unless you have many hundreds of hours of footage to log and capture. Using a cheap camera as a capture device is somewhat more problematic. I've heard of capture issues, mostly related to dropped frames, with cheap mini Dv cameras. Cameras are very slow to go to in and out points and place more stress on the tapes.
__________________
Jeff Donald
Carpe Diem




Search DVinfo.net for quick answers | Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors
Jeff Donald is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > The Long Black Line

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:29 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network