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Old May 23rd, 2007, 03:44 PM   #1
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re-using tapes

I never re-use mini dv tapes accept to back up an event that they were used to film.

I now own a sony dvcam camera and it uses 20 184 min tapes. They are not cheap and I still use the mini dv camera as a second so I can still back up the event with these but I wanted to ask is it alright to re-use the bigger tapes and if yes how many times?

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Old May 23rd, 2007, 04:24 PM   #2
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I usually feel pretty comfortable doing a second pass on a full sized DVCam tape. Can't recall that I've ever had any significant probs with drop outs, etc.
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 04:28 PM   #3
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I'll put 2 passes max on my MiniDV tapes. In the last 100 or so tapes, I've had ONE dropout that lasted all of 3 seconds.
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Old May 25th, 2007, 11:08 AM   #4
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I stopped re-using tapes in my XL1s and GL1 years ago due to problems, but the problems persisted.
Posts on other boards have me convinced it has been the cameras all along, not the tapes. One poster claimed you could reuse a tape 100 times, I haven't had time to test this theory out yet, but it SHOULD be true! I have 20 year old VHS tapes that still work, but tons of Mini-DV tapes only used once or twice that are useless.

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Old May 25th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #5
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Tapes can be bought cheap enough to not reuse them. I would worry about timecode problems. it's better just to have a fresh tape for each shoot.
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Old May 25th, 2007, 02:18 PM   #6
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When you buy new DV tapes do you use them straight away? I mean do you record the whole tape with the lens cap on and then use it or is it OK to just put it in the camera and shoot.
and another thing, how often do you guys clean the heads of your camcorder with cleaning tapes?

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Old May 26th, 2007, 01:17 AM   #7
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The mini dv tapes can be bought cheap enough to not have to use again but the full sized sony DVCam tapes all run in the region of 16-20, for that sort of money you would like to get 5 uses out of them with out any problems don't you think and use the second cameras mini dv tapes to back up the whole days event.
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Old May 26th, 2007, 10:50 AM   #8
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Tapes can be bought cheap enough to not reuse them. I would worry about timecode problems. it's better just to have a fresh tape for each shoot.
That's a pretty blanket statement. I'd say, when resuing a tape over again you know it's free from any manufacturer defects.

I use mine twice.
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Old May 27th, 2007, 07:08 PM   #9
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This is not the first place I have heard people advocate recording the tape from beginning to end before using it, and it makes perfect sense because when I use a camera as camera #2 or 3 during a ceremony and just let it roll, I hardly ever get a problem. It's when I do start and stop reception footage that I see problems.
The reason I have not put this theory into practice is that I am concerned it will wear the camera out prematurely, as I will now have twice the amount of wear for every tape I record.
Personally, I am just about ready to plunk down $700 for a firestore.

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Old May 27th, 2007, 07:29 PM   #10
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When I first started using S-VHS tapes, way back when, I never re used tapes. I figured that I charged the going rate and included the price of a 3 hour tape (about 10 per SVHS tape back then) in the price of the job. My own feeling is that the customer has paid for the tape stock so he/she deserves new tape.

I bought a firestore before my first wedding this year (Restarting after an absence) I still intend to use tape as a backup because I dont fully trust the firestore. but each wedding will get fresh tape stock because I budgeted for it in my pricing. I plan to shoot 3 or 4 hours of footage on each wedding.

I know its a bit on the preaching side but the customer deserves the best we can give, and if that means new tape stock then so be it Sorry if its a Utopian view lol


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Old May 28th, 2007, 03:38 PM   #11
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When I first started using S-VHS tapes, way back when, I never re used tapes. I figured that I charged the going rate and included the price of a 3 hour tape (about 10 per SVHS tape back then) in the price of the job. My own feeling is that the customer has paid for the tape stock so he/she deserves new tape.

I bought a firestore before my first wedding this year (Restarting after an absence) I still intend to use tape as a backup because I dont fully trust the firestore. but each wedding will get fresh tape stock because I budgeted for it in my pricing. I plan to shoot 3 or 4 hours of footage on each wedding.

I know its a bit on the preaching side but the customer deserves the best we can give, and if that means new tape stock then so be it Sorry if its a Utopian view lol


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I fully agree Ian with what your saying, but every wedding event is different.

I shot one on Saturday past with 2 cams, a catholic ceremony that included the brides house. The speeches lasted an hour and the ceremony 1hour 20 mins, I used 1 x 184 min dvcam tape and 2 x 64 min dvcam full sized tapes along with 5 mini dv tapes for the 2nd cam.

Its a lot of footage and I wil end up with 2 dvds with about 1 hour 45mins on each and I will back it all up onto the mini dv tapes but I would like to be able to use the dvcam tapes again as they are quite expensive, 50 worth in 4 dvcam tapes and 15 in mini dv tapes. Maybe I am just paying too much for the dvcam tapes, were is the keenest place to buy them apart from ebay?
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Old May 28th, 2007, 06:39 PM   #12
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I only use tapes once. I don't blank-record them either. When I capture a tape I just capture the entire tape and edit in my NLE software, rather than capturing bits and pieces off of the tapes. Seems faster in the long run.
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Old May 30th, 2007, 12:29 AM   #13
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I reuse tapes pretty frequently, I guess, and I can't say that I've ever had any problems. I've had a few nasty drop-outs on brand-new stock, though. I kind of have to agree with Rick.
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Old May 30th, 2007, 01:10 PM   #14
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I reuse tapes all the time. Never noticed any difference between a new one and a used one. Just to be safe, though, after two or three passes the tape gets retired...
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Old May 30th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #15
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Used tapes

I don't re-use tapes. First because I archive everything I shoot under single subjects or sequences (so I can find it easily later on). HDV tapes are now under $10 and it is worth it to me to shoot on a tape once. It is something that I can also legitimately bill back to the client.
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