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Old March 18th, 2008, 05:04 PM   #1
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Helmet/Lipstick cam questions

I'm in desperate need of a helmet/lipstick cam rig that will meet several of my needs. I need:

--waterproof
--professional quality. At least 500 lines res./HD, 16x9?
--records to a small device. Some sort of hard disk that is waterproof or I can make waterproof.

I have a lipstick cam already but it is SD and not 16x9 and not waterproof.
I've found several browsing on the web but I find some of the marketing deceiving and I don't think that they record to the quality that I want.

Any info?

Thanks,

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Old March 19th, 2008, 02:36 AM   #2
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at my knowledge there is nothing like that on the market.
hd-head camera cost the hell and except few hardisk/memory card recorder (firestore, sony HDR-60 and the new compact flash recorder sold with the Z7)
there si nothing cheap that can record HD.
such solution, if you build it, would cost several thousand $.
You better had to put an HC7 or A1 into a waterproof case.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 08:20 PM   #3
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The SONY 1/3" Super HAD chip reports resolution in color at 520 lines. I have a lipstick cam that is small, uses that chip and with a little help can be made waterproof (to a few feet underwater anyway.)

I recently tried it out by mounting it on my car and plugging it into a Sony Handycam (about as small as you can get before spending BIG $$ for a firestore or somesuch - assuming it will even accept the signal and recrd it.) I shot over an hour of footage with it out there on my car.

Overall I was somewhat impressed with picture quality. I mean when I played it back onto a 108" front projection TV screen from the camera it wasn't too bad. Maybe a better way is to say I was not horribly disappointed with a decent SD picture. Importantly no jaggies on highway stripes as they went by, for example.

Cons: Handles varying light less than adroitly. Low light performance is so so. Is fixed at 4:3 AR.

Pros: Overall though I think it fills a niche in the arsenal when you don't want to put a camera in harms way, plus it is easy to mount. Can be adapted to digital pan (up down right left) and zoom within limits.

HD ? Forget it. For now. We can dream together. (If Hollywood will let us have a capture device.)

ps. I plan to mount it on the belly of a light aircraft - ought to produce some interesting shots on takeoff and landing.

pps. My research leads me to believe this is the upper limit of REAL lines of resolution (around 500-520). Everything else seems to be hype - I've seen cams using this chip claim higher res than Sony advertises this chip can put out.

ppps. This outputs an analog video signal.

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Old March 20th, 2008, 10:02 PM   #4
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There's this

http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/sony-hq...met-camera.htm

Not sure if there is a similar supplier in your neck o'the woods so to speak. Give em a bell, maybe they'll ship one to you.

Have a great evening
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Old March 20th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #5
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Not sure if you have checked this site out for information on most helmet cams.
http://helmetcameracentral.com/

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Old March 21st, 2008, 03:03 AM   #6
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What I am seeing on the suggested links is the same stuff I mentioned. 550 lines, 580 lines - based on a CCD incapable of delivering it. Here is the spec on the SONY 1/3" Super HAD CCD device they all use:

Effective Pixels - NTSC 768 x 492 (V) PAL 752 x 582 (V)
Scanning system - 2:1 interlace
H Resolution - 520 TV lines@Center
Low Lux Sensitivity - 1 Lux/f2.0 (30IRE, AGC Max, Day Night On

I can give you a link to where I bought mine if you send me mail.

ps. Because it is an analog signal, it is my thought that your best capture device is Hi8 or Mini-DV camcorder, which is capable of accepting and recording at that level of detail.... in fact as I understand it up to 600 lines, so it will faithfully record the 500-520 line output. Seems to bear out in my unscientific tests. Many of the solid state devices offered to record will only record at a 320x240 resolution - be careful!
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Old March 21st, 2008, 07:02 AM   #7
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if you want to spend a lot of money you can go with this
http://www.convergent-design.com/dow...20Brochure.pdf
and an HD camera head with HD-sdi output.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 02:33 PM   #8
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And on Giroud's supplied link, look at the little camera to the left. That's the Iconix HD POV camera.

It's about as good as it gets in POV image quality.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 05:26 PM   #9
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and these guys are nice enough to provide a pre-order form, but except advising you have to give $1000 for reservation, i have not seen any final price estimation. ($2000 or $10000 ?)
google indicates $4995.
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