Sanyo HD1 footage! - Page 3 at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > And Now, For Something Completely Different... > The Archives > (MPG4) Sanyo Xacti (all models)

(MPG4) Sanyo Xacti (all models)
A compact 720p MPEG4 digital media camera recording to SD Card.


 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old January 15th, 2006, 09:06 PM   #31
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Stockton, UT
Posts: 5,648
I didn't get to shoot with this cam at CES, but did see what they had for demo footage on a big screen. It was ridiculously good without factoring in the price, and then with the price tossed on...was pretty impressive.
__________________
Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot
Author, producer, composer
Certified Sony Vegas Trainer
http://www.vasst.com
Douglas Spotted Eagle is offline  
Old January 15th, 2006, 11:27 PM   #32
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Katoomba NSW Australia
Posts: 635
To all those folks having trouble using Windows Media Player 10 (WMP10)... Download the free - yes FREE Windows Media Player Classic AND/OR the free Video Lan Client (VLC) and your playback problems will be over.

I've never got Microsofts Media Player to work correctly, and I doubt it will ever be as stable as either of these free players!!

I haven't watched the Sanyo clip, and at 8Mbit it doesn't sound like it would hold up terribly well. Certainly no better than DVD quality - which for a HD/HDV camcorder isn't doing it any justice. It's just a "guide" for those who might be interested, but a full bitrate clip in the raw format as captured by the cam would be more enlightening.
Steve Crisdale is offline  
Old January 15th, 2006, 11:48 PM   #33
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Southern Cal-ee-for-Ni-ya
Posts: 608
8 megabit wmv files can look very good. The sanyo video has a lot more information in it than a dvd.
Dvd's are about 7 megabit, with decade old mpeg2 compression technology.
Media 9 files can have close to twice the visual information content per given data rate, as the codec is a lot better than the old mpeg 2 stuff.

Too bad the HDV cameras are still using mpeg2.
-Les
Les Dit is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 12:57 AM   #34
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Katoomba NSW Australia
Posts: 635
Perhaps I should have said "8Mbit wouldn't do justice to the full bitrate of the original HD video".

I have never ever been able to get a 8Mbit WMV9 HD 1080 clip to look anywhere near as good as a 18Mbit WMV9 HD 1080 clip, regardless of the settings of the encoder.

That's why Kaku Ito's uncompressed or raw files straight from the cameras he has used prior to their release and posted here so generously have to date been the best indicator of actual HD/HDV performance I've seen.

WMV9's and other re-rendered, downsampled or otherwise "doctored" clips are great for giving an indication of what is possible; however, I'd suggest that only clips straight from the cam will truly represent what the camera can achieve.

Mind you, I'm not dissin' on the cam or it's performance. I may even go and get one to add to my HD/HDV cam collection!!
Steve Crisdale is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 08:31 AM   #35
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 143
.

i heard superman returns was shot on 12megas pixel camera.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/hd/

if sanyo hd1 can output raw footage by usb2.0 it could compete with professional film camera.
Jung Kyu is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 09:24 AM   #36
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,907
Finally got it to play. I had originally just downloaded the file and then tried to play. This time I let MP10 download and then saved. It now plays just fine on my lowest powered Sempron 3000 with integrated graphics!! The image looks very good. I too would like to know how it performs in lower light levels. This technology with more capable lens and controls would be a very interesting addition and would give the latest HDV/P2 cameras a real run for their money. Certainly a lot easier to carry around than my FX1!!!! I have been looking for something to replace my Sony PC10 and this might just be the one.


Ron Evans
Ron Evans is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 01:31 PM   #37
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 117
I think that I may have jumped the gun in my praise to this camera. Yes it would be great for $800 but there is alot of artifacting on skintones and solid colours. Take a look at how the dof is presented when shallow in the clip with the boy and the ice cream?

With the deal about the bitrate, this is only 1280x720 not 1920x1080 or 1440xXXX. 8mbs should not cause compression problems, have a look at the "Lucid" Clips with the FX1 at www.hd-channel.com/programme.html despite it's lack of english, I think you should get it. The clips there are just under 7mbs.

__________________
www.inasinglemoment.com - The Feature Film, footage up soon!
__________________
Ainslie Davies - www.dualityproductions.com
Ainslie Davies is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 01:50 PM   #38
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,907
Well now that I have got it to play I don't see any of the artifacting your talking about. Could you be specific about what part of the image. I have played it several times now trying to see anything in the dark areas without seeing anything of concern. In fact the more I view the more impressed I am. The Samsung might be even better.

Ron Evans
Ron Evans is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 02:08 PM   #39
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 117
Are you viewing on a 720p monitor? Try pausing at 6sec then have a look at the black pants to the right of the frame from 20-26sec. It's just me being picky but for the price, I would say nothing comes close!

Edit - It maybe looks like compression problems on camera because doesn't it use the less-than-perfect mpeg1?

__________________
www.inasinglemoment.com - The premiere feature film by d|p in HD
__________________
Ainslie Davies - www.dualityproductions.com
Ainslie Davies is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 02:28 PM   #40
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,907
I have moved the file over to my editing computer and viewed it on my Dell2405 monitor and am even more impressed. However I do now see some shimmering on the green shirt of the boy with the icecream. Seems to occur when he brings the cone to his mouth so could be a shadowing effect. For the cost of the camera this is minor. In a $10000 camera I would be upset, maybe!!! Having looked at the baby again the detail in the trees in the far backround is very impressive though. I will really look forward to the summer!!! Samsung version is forcast for August in Canada not sure of the Sanyo.

Ron Evans
Ron Evans is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 02:42 PM   #41
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,907
Ainslie
I don't see anything in the black pants. I have viewed on a crt monitor and my editing system Dell 2405. They and the jeans are out of focus as is the rest of the backround due to DoF but that's OK. The compression is Mpeg4 of some form. There is more in a thread under industry news with references. It is not stated as to what chip technology is being used but it is likely to be the chip from Ambarella considering the press and coincidence of price.

Ron Evans
Ron Evans is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 03:02 PM   #42
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,907
Ainslie
Hi again. Yes I see what you are talking about. At about 23sec there are blockies on the black pants, still on the baby clip. Data rate is obviously not quite enough. Though this could be due to the re-encoding using WMV 9. The preferences show it to be a 1280x720, WMV 9.1, CBR at 8.19Mbs. The original MPEG4 could be a lot better.

Ron Evans
Ron Evans is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 03:07 PM   #43
Major Player
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 547
Wowzers that's impressive given the price.

-Steve
Steven White is offline  
Old January 16th, 2006, 04:41 PM   #44
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: St. John's, NL, Canada
Posts: 416
I have to say, for an $800 pricetag I'm very impressed. I just finally took a look at it after taking a break from working on some stuff and I have to say it looks pretty good.

I skimmed the thread but didn't see any mention, but this seems like it has to have been re-encoded from what the camcorder already put to sd card because I doubt it would write in wmv.

I see lots of possibilities for this camera. The engineer in me keeps thinking "Rip it apart, put it in a new housing, a lens mount..." then it trails off. If I wasn't so busy I'd be all over trying to get this camera.

Anyone got any raw footage from the camera or any other footage posted. Just curious.
Keith Wakeham is offline  
Old January 17th, 2006, 09:18 AM   #45
Major Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: United Kindom, England
Posts: 290
This is very impressive for such a small camera!

Have you guys seen the 0.6X wide lens adaptor they have made for this, it looks kinda cute when you put the 0.6X wide lens on :)

http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-10...+monster!.html

The footage seems to have a kinda filmic motion (probably due to the progressive nature).

I think I'll probably end up buying one of these, its kind of a go anywhere shoot anytime type cam, great for prosumers like us who EVEN when shooting family movies always have quailty in the back of our minds.

I think Sanyo must have understood that since people will view the footage on either a Computer or HDTV, it had to match peoples expectation and when viewed on a HDTV, it not be as forgiving as viewing on SD. One thing is for sure it looks alot better than a lot of miniDV.

Now when can I buy one in the UK?

Anhar
__________________
The IT Ninja Learn, Teach, Grow..
Anhar Miah is offline  
 

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > And Now, For Something Completely Different... > The Archives > (MPG4) Sanyo Xacti (all models)

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:05 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network