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Old July 17th, 2003, 01:17 PM   #1
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Editing on the PC: Why?

I have been using a Mac and FCP to edit for the past 3 or 4 years. I took to FCP like a fish to water. Never took a class, barely ever have I opened the manual. From what I understand the Mac has about 50% of the market share in the video editing world, mostly due to FCP and now Avid XPress DV, and decreasingly Premier. I have always liked the mac for the inherent stability that comes from one company having designed the hardware, the OS and the NLE.

Still, though I see lots of people who prefer to do their thing on the PC. I am curious what the advantages of editing on the PC are?

[note: I'd rather not start a flame war, I'd really like to know advantages of working on a PC]
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Old July 17th, 2003, 01:38 PM   #2
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Over all, PCs enjoy wider support as a developer's platform than Macs. 9 times out of 10, there exists a Windows software solution for your problem; this number narrows to 5 times out of 10 for any given Mac OS. Much of the best software for Mac comes from Apple itself, and exists only because Apple took the initiative to develop it: the media player, the editing application, the web browser...

Hardware support is also better for PCs--far more manufacturers make PC products than Mac products. Maybe by now some real-time SD video hardware solution like the Canopus Rex/Storm cards exists for Mac, I'm not sure--but certainly there was nothing of the sort available to Mac users for the first four or five years these cards were available for the PC.

Like Alex, I dislike the way the Mac OS tries to hide the underlying system from the user. And there are the perennial Mac annoyances, like the one-button mouse that comes standard and the soft eject that never works, sequestering your disk for minutes when you could have had it back in a flash with a hard eject on a PC. But these are personal preferences and are really shouldn't count against the Mac. To my surprise, I've known some perfectly geeky CS majors who appreciated these features in Macs.
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Old July 17th, 2003, 01:45 PM   #3
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PCs have the advantage that they're highly configurable. You can build your own or buy OEM. Either will be cheaper than a Mac of similar spec, and are more upgradable. That's not to say you can't upgrade a Mac, it's just that your options are more limited.

There are probably a whole host of reasons why people prefer one over another. For many it will be simply what they've always used and have grown accustomed to. But many make a switch, for whatever reason, and never look back. Ken Tanaka of this parish, for example, is a born-again Mac editor.

I have a Mac, but I prefer the PC, simply because I see more options. But then, I'm probably missing out on as much as I gain.
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Old July 17th, 2003, 01:47 PM   #4
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<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Knecht Schmidt : Much of the best software for Mac comes from Apple itself, and exists only because Apple took the initiative to develop it -->>>

This position is not helped by Apple freezing out other developers that it considers serious competition. Soon there will only be one way of doing things on a Mac...the Apple way.

It all makes those 1984 ads seem profoundly ironic! ;-)
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Old July 17th, 2003, 01:52 PM   #5
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Hi,

The main reason I choose a PC compared to a Mac is that I like the price for performance. All the computer courses I ever took were on Mac and they did well for the most part. At home I always had a PC. When at school and I tried to do some serious work in After Effects or Photoshop the Mac would never work. Part of that was due to the computers never getting the attention they needed to work for anyone. Stupid lab. Anyways I rather pay my money for a PC and have a lifetime guarantee. I have no need to waste money on a computer that will not give me the same power as a PC. I love Mac but for anything serious I would only buy it when it comes to laptops. Mac laptops are the cream of the crop and that would be the first thing I would get that would ever be a Mac.
One question since I have only used PC for anything big. How do you defrag the Hard Drives on a Mac?
I enjoy OS X way better than any of the other operating systems on a Mac. Also enjoy XP except for the Permissions junk it tries to pull when you change your system enough.
PC= lots of games as well.
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Old July 17th, 2003, 01:54 PM   #6
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Being a hard-core PC guy who's never taken to MacOS, I recently spent a couple of days on an OSX machine with Final Cut Pro 3, editing and completing a 2-minute short, soup to nuts. I enjoyed it, and knowing the backbone of OSX and my user experience with it, I must say I'm pleased with the direction it's taken since dumping the pre-X architecture. I suppose this is because it's essentially a pretty shell on a Unix machine.

Plus I like that fact that OSX almost never crashes, like my Win 2k and XP Pro workstations have never done for years.

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Old July 17th, 2003, 02:09 PM   #7
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OSX almost never crashes
FWIW, I've had more crashes with OSX than OS9. I guess, as with everything, your mileage may vary.
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Old July 17th, 2003, 02:13 PM   #8
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This is my computer experience to provide a little background:
First computer Apple ][+, then Apple ][GS. Then along the way got into PCs starting with 286s. Had a Mac+ at the same time as I went through a few generations of PCs. In university I learned to use UNIX terminals and more PCs. After university I got into a multimedia program which was all Mac and became a convert again to Mac with my LC475. My first computer-related job was on Macs but my home computer (after I sold my powermac 7200) was a PC from then on. I then worked for a couple years on SGIs (Onyx, Indigos, etc.) (3D) with PowerMacs on the side for 2D.

I am presently entirely PC. Reason is price and customizability and availability of software. I like buying the best out there for a reasonable price and you cannot build a Mac like you can build a PC. I have upgraded internal components many times on my previous two PCs from graphics cards to hard drives to CD-ROMs to DVD to burners. I've added lots of peripherals. A comparable Mac to my PC was always $1000 more than I wanted to spend. The range of software available for the PC for more than just work cannot be beat. I've heard enough about FCP to want to get my hands on it, but not enough so far that I would be willing to shift platforms entirely. I will always want a PC for personal use.

Oh yeah, ONE BUTTON MOUSE. I hate hate hate that. Multiple buttons are USEFUL, okay?
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Old July 17th, 2003, 03:09 PM   #9
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Weird that your OSX would be crash prone. Usually this sort of thing can be blamed on the upgrade path. Something a lot of PC users are used to is, when you upgrade your OS, you completely reformat the drive and start again, for best results. My experience with Mac users is that they never ever do this -- Apple just provides a functional upgrade path. Microsoft does this too, but this just isn't a healthy way to get a new OS.

Also, there's the issue of those first couple of iterations of OSX that were trying to be a bit too backwards-compatible, resulting in diminished performance.

But like you said, your mileage may vary.
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Old July 17th, 2003, 03:16 PM   #10
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I never, ever, upgrade OS. Always a complete format and clean install, as you say.

In fact, I usually uninstall apps before upgrading!
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Old July 17th, 2003, 03:24 PM   #11
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Me and my friend are in business together doing wedding videography. We split the editing work between my machine (PC) and his Dual G-4. Just recently, roughly 1 month into editing our last wedding, his computer crashed and he lost the entire project. The whole Mac being more stable than PC is a myth.
I, on many occasions, saw my friend navigate his computer and have to "force quit" programs that froze. UGH....all that and he paid hundreds more than I did for my PC and mine will eat his for breakfast in any benchmark you throw at it.

Oh and PC guys we have an answer for Mac's new G5, the new AMD Barton 64-bit processors are slated for release soon!

FCP would be nice to work with- as I've never had the pleasure of working with it. I've heard nothing but good things about it- but still yet to de-mystify how it's any better than my Vegas 4.0c. I, also, an not willing to switch platforms to run one program....expecially one so overpriced and proprietary. To each their own I guess.

Here's a similar post I started on 2-pop, albiet specifically comparing Apple's FCP and PC's Vegas 4.0. I was curious as to what the whole rage was about. So far- I'm not quite impressed- with their justification that is. Seems most of the stuff they list Vegas already does. I think most Mac guys don't even know about Vegas and think "Premiere" when they hear PC- wich is obviously a blow out when compared to FCP! Check it out at:
http://www.2-pop.com/ubbthreads/show...c=1&PHPSESSID=
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Old July 17th, 2003, 07:18 PM   #12
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lol....i wasnt worried that the pc guys would come through on this one. but i think part of the matter is which platform you are used to, or was brought up on.

personally, i was brought up on pcs. imo, as others have stated, there just alot more room for expanability. things arent so propriatary. oh...and theres no right click, but, needless to say, if i had extra money laying around, and didnt have any bills, i would probably pick up a mac with one of those 23 inch cinema displays. i dont know how, or why, but they are so crisp and clear, its unbelievable...

i visited the mac store recently, and one thing i must admit to is i LOVE mac design. I know, it wont improve your editing skills, but i just really like how mac designs thier machines. very very innovative.

although...."its not the vehicle, its the driver"
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Old July 17th, 2003, 08:35 PM   #13
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Familiarity with PCs and price.

I was tempted to get a Mac ONLY to use FCP, but Vegas took care of that.

It's going to be interesting to see what people choose in the near future with all the new and improved offerings on the PC.
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Old July 17th, 2003, 09:00 PM   #14
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John I must concur. Macs are very cleanly designed physically, the way the cases open up (hinging open with the mb attached) is very convenient- even the OS has a very clean minimalistic design.
In the PC world I actually like the semi-hokey look of the Alienware cases. Very wild yet subtle, not very busy looking like some other PC cases.

Michael, speaking of the whole FCP/Vegas thing....they say Premiere Pro is PC's answer to FCP...I digress- Vegas IS! Especially after hearing it doesn't support 24p.
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Old July 18th, 2003, 02:33 AM   #15
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I agree on Mac case design...

...but the G4 is the end of the line for the &uuml;bercool hinged case design (El Capitan). Disappointingly, the G5 has a lift-out side panel...just like a PC!

I came very close to getting one of the last G4 towers as they dwindle into design history. But then I figured that the money would be better plonked down on a couple of xeons and a new mobo!
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