Capture HDMI on a laptop? at DVinfo.net

Jack Falbey · March 25th, 2009, 05:25 PM

I know there are HDMI capture cards for desktops/workstations like the Blackmagic and AJA products, but I can't seem to find anything in an ExpressCard format. Does anyone know of a way to capture the HDMI stream from the camcorder directly to a laptop?

Gary Bettan · March 25th, 2009, 08:39 PM

Matrox MXO2 will do it - plus whole lot more

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Gary

Dale Guthormsen · March 26th, 2009, 08:10 AM

What about a pc not a Mac???

Jack Falbey · March 26th, 2009, 04:18 PM

Thanks, Gary. I should have mentioned I'm on a PC workflow. Matrox makes a good product; in fact I have an RT.X2 in my workstation. I'm interested in a portable full-HD capture solution, and since I already have a Dell m6300 laptop with 500GB internal HDD, an ExpressCard-to-HDMI adapter would be ideal for me. I just thought it was a little strange that no one makes such a device, considering that there are ExpressCard adapters for just about every other type of connection.

Jack Falbey · April 5th, 2009, 10:48 AM

So that's it, then? There are no ExpressCard-HDMI capture solutions for Windows-based laptops? That seems like it would be a very useful device for quick edits in the field, etc. especially with so many HD cams with HDMI out...

Gary Bettan · April 5th, 2009, 11:52 AM

That's it ..... for now ....... NAB in a couple of weeks ;-)

Gary

Marcus Martell · April 12th, 2009, 10:55 AM

Hey Jack it seems we own the same workstation;you have 500 gb Hard disk on your Precision?

Jack Falbey · April 16th, 2009, 05:48 PM

It seems that a very clever and inventive guy made a DIY solution to my question! Now if only Blackmagic would make an ExpressCard version of the Intensity to avoid the backpack full of batteries & wires...
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/tapeless-...-tutorial.html

Marcus, I added the 500GB drive myself.
Newegg.com - Seagate Momentus 7200.4 ST9500420AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Notebook Hard Drive - Laptop Hard Drives

Gary Bettan · May 9th, 2009, 02:24 PM

Matrox MXO2 Mini with PC Drivers will be shipping this May!
Mac Drivers will be available for download 2-weeks later.

Don’t settle for an HDMI and analog I/O card with messy cables when you can get all the features and more in a professional breakout box with Matrox MXO2 Mini. This sleek little device for Mac and PC also gives you the added advantage of portability. You can take it with you wherever you go. Use it with a laptop or a desktop system and your favorite applications including Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere Pro and Photoshop, and many more. Capture and playback high definition video via HDMI and analog component; or NTSC and PAL via analog component, S-Video, and composite. Convert your standard definition videos to high definition, or vice versa, while capturing or playing out, using Matrox MXO2 Mini’s high-quality dedicated hardware. Turn your HDMI screen into a professional-grade video monitor with Matrox’s unique color calibration tool. Easily edit AVCHD footage by capturing into an edit-friendly compressed or uncompressed format. Count on uncompromising Matrox quality and reliability in MXO2 Mini, backed by a three-year warranty.

Affordable high definition HDMI and analog I/O for Mac and PC Videoguys.com - Matrox MXO2 Mini Laptop Kit with ExpressCard Adapter

Matrox MXO2 Mini BackMatrox MXO2 Mini is also available with Matrox MAX technology for faster than realtime high definition H.264 file creation.

Now accepting pre-0rders

Gary

Jack Falbey · May 9th, 2009, 05:40 PM

Yes, the MXO2 Mini definitely got my attention. I'll most likely get one. I do have a few unanswered questions even after reading the data sheets over at Matrox.com.

1) I've been editing SD and HDV with an RT.X2, and I love the realtime effects previews and accelerated encoding. However, the RT.X2 only does HDV 1440x1080, so if I get full 1920x1080 from the MXO2 Mini, my RT.X2 is no longer functional in my workflow. Does the Mini offer realtime playback, especially with color correction, and does it accelerate encoding of anything other than H.264?

2) If the answer to #1 is no, then does the Mini work with Prospect HD?

Gary Bettan · May 10th, 2009, 06:31 AM

mxo2 mini does support full HD. It does not work with rt.x2 and it does not offer any real-time performance. the mini max adds the H.264 accelerated encoding.

We have the folks at cineform and Matrox checking it out and working on making their products work together.

Gary

Jack Falbey · May 11th, 2009, 08:59 AM

Thanks for all the info, Gary. Since I haven't bought the HD cams yet (I need a few months to save the $$), I guess I'll just wait & see if the MXO2 Mini and Prospect HD will work & play well with each other. If they do, I guess I'll just sell the RT.X2 since it sounds like it won't be of any use to me at that point, right?

Ray Bell · May 11th, 2009, 10:39 AM

Gary, Over at the Matrox site it was posted that the mini will not work off of battery power.... can this be right... don't sound right to me...

Keith Wright · October 23rd, 2009, 04:20 AM

I have a Canon HF200. If I record to my SDHC card and PLAYBACK through the HDMI cable to a product such as Blackmagic, am I going to gain resolution/befits the same as outputting via component is better than composite?

It is my understanding that by using the HDMI output cable that you get higher bandwidth and better resolution and this can be used during playback for post-production.

If I had a scope, I could measure the output of component vs HDMI output but I dont have teh Blackmagic suite to do it with.

Can anyone help?

Bill Koehler · October 23rd, 2009, 05:05 PM

Sorry Keith, you are not going to get what you seek.

The whole point of play out through HDMI is to capture the uncompressed video signal from the imaging chip BEFORE it has been run through the cameras codec, be that HDV, AVCHD, or anything else. This is why all these folks are doing the capture at the time of the shoot, not after.

Doing what you propose, you are in effect taking the compressed signal, decompressing it and playing it out through HDMI, and hoping this will somehow be the same as the original uncompressed video signal. No go, and no point in doing it.

You're better off importing the footage per the camera manufacturer's (Canon) directions. It will be faster and minus another level of compression.

March 25th, 2009, 08:39 PM	#2
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 757	Matrox MXO2 will do it - plus whole lot more Videoguys Blog - Videoguys' FAQ: Matrox MXO2 Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

March 26th, 2009, 08:10 AM	#3
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	What about a pc not a Mac??? __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

March 26th, 2009, 04:18 PM	#4
Jack Falbey Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 45	Thanks, Gary. I should have mentioned I'm on a PC workflow. Matrox makes a good product; in fact I have an RT.X2 in my workstation. I'm interested in a portable full-HD capture solution, and since I already have a Dell m6300 laptop with 500GB internal HDD, an ExpressCard-to-HDMI adapter would be ideal for me. I just thought it was a little strange that no one makes such a device, considering that there are ExpressCard adapters for just about every other type of connection. __________________ "We'll fix it in post," said no videographer, EVER!

April 5th, 2009, 10:48 AM	#5
Jack Falbey Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 45	So that's it, then? There are no ExpressCard-HDMI capture solutions for Windows-based laptops? That seems like it would be a very useful device for quick edits in the field, etc. especially with so many HD cams with HDMI out... __________________ "We'll fix it in post," said no videographer, EVER!

April 5th, 2009, 11:52 AM	#6
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 757	That's it ..... for now ....... NAB in a couple of weeks ;-) Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

March 25th, 2009, 05:25 PM	#1
Jack Falbey Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 45	Capture HDMI on a laptop? I know there are HDMI capture cards for desktops/workstations like the Blackmagic and AJA products, but I can't seem to find anything in an ExpressCard format. Does anyone know of a way to capture the HDMI stream from the camcorder directly to a laptop? __________________ "We'll fix it in post," said no videographer, EVER!

April 12th, 2009, 10:55 AM	#7
Marcus Martell Trustee Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: spain Posts: 1,202	Hey Jack it seems we own the same workstation;you have 500 gb Hard disk on your Precision?

April 16th, 2009, 05:48 PM	#8
Jack Falbey Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 45	It seems that a very clever and inventive guy made a DIY solution to my question! Now if only Blackmagic would make an ExpressCard version of the Intensity to avoid the backpack full of batteries & wires... http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/tapeless-...-tutorial.html Marcus, I added the 500GB drive myself. Newegg.com - Seagate Momentus 7200.4 ST9500420AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Notebook Hard Drive - Laptop Hard Drives __________________ "We'll fix it in post," said no videographer, EVER!

May 9th, 2009, 02:24 PM	#9
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 757	Matrox MXO2 Mini with PC Drivers will be shipping this May! Mac Drivers will be available for download 2-weeks later. Don’t settle for an HDMI and analog I/O card with messy cables when you can get all the features and more in a professional breakout box with Matrox MXO2 Mini. This sleek little device for Mac and PC also gives you the added advantage of portability. You can take it with you wherever you go. Use it with a laptop or a desktop system and your favorite applications including Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere Pro and Photoshop, and many more. Capture and playback high definition video via HDMI and analog component; or NTSC and PAL via analog component, S-Video, and composite. Convert your standard definition videos to high definition, or vice versa, while capturing or playing out, using Matrox MXO2 Mini’s high-quality dedicated hardware. Turn your HDMI screen into a professional-grade video monitor with Matrox’s unique color calibration tool. Easily edit AVCHD footage by capturing into an edit-friendly compressed or uncompressed format. Count on uncompromising Matrox quality and reliability in MXO2 Mini, backed by a three-year warranty. Affordable high definition HDMI and analog I/O for Mac and PC Videoguys.com - Matrox MXO2 Mini Laptop Kit with ExpressCard Adapter Matrox MXO2 Mini BackMatrox MXO2 Mini is also available with Matrox MAX technology for faster than realtime high definition H.264 file creation. Now accepting pre-0rders Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

May 9th, 2009, 05:40 PM	#10
Jack Falbey Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 45	Yes, the MXO2 Mini definitely got my attention. I'll most likely get one. I do have a few unanswered questions even after reading the data sheets over at Matrox.com. 1) I've been editing SD and HDV with an RT.X2, and I love the realtime effects previews and accelerated encoding. However, the RT.X2 only does HDV 1440x1080, so if I get full 1920x1080 from the MXO2 Mini, my RT.X2 is no longer functional in my workflow. Does the Mini offer realtime playback, especially with color correction, and does it accelerate encoding of anything other than H.264? 2) If the answer to #1 is no, then does the Mini work with Prospect HD? __________________ "We'll fix it in post," said no videographer, EVER!

May 10th, 2009, 06:31 AM	#11
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 757	mxo2 mini does support full HD. It does not work with rt.x2 and it does not offer any real-time performance. the mini max adds the H.264 accelerated encoding. We have the folks at cineform and Matrox checking it out and working on making their products work together. Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

May 11th, 2009, 08:59 AM	#12
Jack Falbey Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 45	Thanks for all the info, Gary. Since I haven't bought the HD cams yet (I need a few months to save the $$), I guess I'll just wait & see if the MXO2 Mini and Prospect HD will work & play well with each other. If they do, I guess I'll just sell the RT.X2 since it sounds like it won't be of any use to me at that point, right? __________________ "We'll fix it in post," said no videographer, EVER!

May 11th, 2009, 10:39 AM	#13
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Gary, Over at the Matrox site it was posted that the mini will not work off of battery power.... can this be right... don't sound right to me...

October 23rd, 2009, 04:20 AM	#14
Keith Wright Tourist Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 3	HDMI capture I have a Canon HF200. If I record to my SDHC card and PLAYBACK through the HDMI cable to a product such as Blackmagic, am I going to gain resolution/befits the same as outputting via component is better than composite? It is my understanding that by using the HDMI output cable that you get higher bandwidth and better resolution and this can be used during playback for post-production. If I had a scope, I could measure the output of component vs HDMI output but I dont have teh Blackmagic suite to do it with. Can anyone help?

October 23rd, 2009, 05:05 PM	#15
Bill Koehler Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia, USA Posts: 760	Sorry Keith, you are not going to get what you seek. The whole point of play out through HDMI is to capture the uncompressed video signal from the imaging chip BEFORE it has been run through the cameras codec, be that HDV, AVCHD, or anything else. This is why all these folks are doing the capture at the time of the shoot, not after. Doing what you propose, you are in effect taking the compressed signal, decompressing it and playing it out through HDMI, and hoping this will somehow be the same as the original uncompressed video signal. No go, and no point in doing it. You're better off importing the footage per the camera manufacturer's (Canon) directions. It will be faster and minus another level of compression.

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