XL1 with Pinnacle DV200 at DVinfo.net

October 26th, 2001, 04:48 PM

Can anyone explain why my DV200 works perfectly well with my Sony camera but I cannot even get it to recognise my XL1. My pc just locks up as soon as I connect it to 1394 cable.
At the moment I am videoing with XL1 and then transferring onto a Sony DCR TRV730E Pal to edit.
Do I looses any quality be transferring onto a single chip camera?
Any help or advice appreciated.
Mike.

Adrian Douglas · October 27th, 2001, 12:24 AM

Is your Sony camera digital? If it is and you are transfering through IEE1395 cable then you wont get any loss as you are transfering digital info.

As for the DV200, I use a DV500 and had problems initially. Make sure you have the lastest driver. I also found that Windows 98 didn't handle the load that was placed on it. I upgraded to Windows 2000 and it's run perfectly since.

Another thing that can cause problems is just using one HDD. For the best performance and reliability, get a second HDD and use it exclusively for video. If a second HDD is out of your budget at the moment, partitioning your HDD is the cheap way to go about it.

Don Palomaki · October 27th, 2001, 07:03 AM

Your current DV200 drivers probably do not support the XL1. Shame on Pinnacle for that. It has been my observation that device drivers are a long standing weakness in the Pinnacle product lines. Two examples: It took them well over a year to update drivers LANC drivers to support the Sony EVS7000 in the mid-late 1990s, about a year to address issues with GL1 support in DV500.

Adrian Douglas · October 27th, 2001, 07:55 AM

Ah, yet another person unhappy with Pinnacle drivers. I had so many problems getting my DV500 to work properly and it took them ages to write the drivers for W2k. On the other side of the coin however, once you get it all working it is really good gear.

When the DV200 was released the XL1 was still in the pipeline, so check to see if you have the lateset driver at http://www.pinnaclesys.com/support/display.asp?ProductID=317&DocTypesID=14

October 28th, 2001, 05:45 PM

Thanks Guys,
I have installed latest 2.10 drivers and still have the problem. Pinnacle over the phone have told me today that they are awaiting some futher drivers to fix this problem. I am loosing faith now with Pinnacle and was considering upgrading to Pro One.
Any advice on a comparative system would be appreciated.
Mike
PS I am now a true concert to message boards - I have more confidence in this message board than Canon and Pinnacle's on line support service. There are no sales piches here.
Thanks again!

November 1st, 2001, 10:02 PM

I don't want to get flamed here, BUT Mike...learn your lesson. This is indeed the past track record from Pinnacle. You can turn gray waiting for new drivers. I have been there. I have been thrilled ever since I switched to Canopus

November 4th, 2001, 10:51 AM

Thanks,
I am now having second thoughts in buying Pinnacle's latest release in Pro one.
Can anyone recommend an alternative.
How does Canopus compare?
I really want to get full use of my XL1 and keep data on miniDV.
Mike.

November 5th, 2001, 10:42 AM

Mike,
I went trough a large research time about 18 months ago, checking on all the available NLE systems out there that would get me the best bang for the buck. I settled on Canopus and have been thrilled since then. One of the main things I did (and I suggest this for everyone) is I hung out in all the user forums (had to borrow a password or 2 for some) to get the feel of what the users thought after they had made their purchase. You see what I chose. Depending on your needs and budget, I suggest looking at the Canopus Storm or Raptor RT. Go to the Canopus forum (justedit.com and hey...Chris is a big contributor there) with any questions you might have.

Mike Butler · November 5th, 2001, 05:39 PM

The repeated stories about Pinnacle issues are making me steer clear of their DV500 and am putting together a plan for acquiring a Matrox RT2500 on the PC side...it comes w/Adobe Premiere which I need anyway, and looks like the breakout box is just what I need for capturing analog material (which I still receive from the outside). Hopefully the Matrox is more reliable in non-turnkey scenarios.

Chris Hurd · November 5th, 2001, 11:58 PM

Whatever you do, don't overlook Canopus: their DVStorm and DVRaptor-RT are superb. Plus, real-time output to FireWire, which the Matrox and Pinnacle cards don't have. See www.justedit.com

Mike Butler · November 6th, 2001, 01:35 PM

At least you have lots of choices on the PC side. As for the Mac platform, you're kind of stuck, it's the Matrox RT and it requires Apple Final Cut Pro (not included). Therefore, what appears to be a real bargain at first --hey! ready to cut videos right out of the box, Firewire built in and free I-Movie!-- becomes the cold reality. I'm not saying it's not a good system, but it forces you into some choices you may not prefer (and not cheap).

November 6th, 2001, 02:36 PM

I really thought hard about posting again, because I hate to sound like a cheerleader for Canopus but here is one post in the Canopus forum that I copied.

"For over a year ago I was thrilled over what the new Matrox RT2000 seemed could do for the guy with less money. People at the Matrox forum really liked their cards and the support from Matrox. For six months ago I got my eyes on the DVStorm card and immediately focused on that card instead, due to it was obviously more modern e.g scalability.
As I now waiting for UPS to deliver my DVStorm card any day now, I took my time to browsing into the Matrox forum again to watch the status.

It was a chocking experience! For me it look like Matrox ended their support and have no customer relation at all. A LOT of people yelling in the forum about nonfunctional cards/drivers an no response from Matrox. And several of them want to sell their cards in the forum at best bid!
I feel I'm a very lucky bastard to not join that train a year ago..."

There are many more like this one. Do yourself a favor and go to the Canopus site and do a search on the RT2000 or 2500 and get a few reviews from former users.

November 6th, 2001, 04:36 PM

Excellent advice!
I will take it this evening and have a good look around, especially just edit.com.
I originally chose Pinnacle DV200 on price got totally hooked on editing and now creating some excellent work.
I love working with the XL1 and sometimes with the smaller Sony.
My hobby is starting to turn semi pro and I want to spend about £1000 on next sytem. Real time is a must and at present my tecnique is 'keep it simple'. I tend to use music and sound to create the effect I want with simple transitions. No tack!
Your advice Guys has been valuable and really think I must move away from Pinnacle and have a good look at Canopus Storm.
Mike

Robert Mann Z. · November 7th, 2001, 04:08 PM

i use a dc2000 & dc1000...with an xl1 and i have had no problems, however i suggest you get a minidv edit bay and save your xl1 head...

as for pinn support..it sucks, however there is no better card then the 2000/1000 in there price range, the quality is a lot better the any other pinn card or matrox or canopus...

using your bob inputs on the dc you will get 4:2:2, now i know the xl1 is only 4:2:0 but you will work in higher color space...which makes the diff...as for special effects page curls, or flashy splashy effects see other cards...

(however the color correction on the canopus card is great)

Manuel Albarracin · November 8th, 2001, 02:09 AM

I use a dv500 and it is having troubles recognizing my Xl1s. I had to use my sony DVcam DRV-1000 to capture through the firewire connection.

Is there somebody in this forum sucessful in using the DV500 with the Xl1s

If so what operating system are you using.

October 26th, 2001, 04:48 PM	#1
Mike Metcalf Posts: n/a	XL1 with Pinnacle DV200 Can anyone explain why my DV200 works perfectly well with my Sony camera but I cannot even get it to recognise my XL1. My pc just locks up as soon as I connect it to 1394 cable. At the moment I am videoing with XL1 and then transferring onto a Sony DCR TRV730E Pal to edit. Do I looses any quality be transferring onto a single chip camera? Any help or advice appreciated. Mike.

October 27th, 2001, 12:24 AM	#2
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Is your Sony camera digital? If it is and you are transfering through IEE1395 cable then you wont get any loss as you are transfering digital info. As for the DV200, I use a DV500 and had problems initially. Make sure you have the lastest driver. I also found that Windows 98 didn't handle the load that was placed on it. I upgraded to Windows 2000 and it's run perfectly since. Another thing that can cause problems is just using one HDD. For the best performance and reliability, get a second HDD and use it exclusively for video. If a second HDD is out of your budget at the moment, partitioning your HDD is the cheap way to go about it. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

October 27th, 2001, 07:55 AM	#4
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Ah, yet another person unhappy with Pinnacle drivers. I had so many problems getting my DV500 to work properly and it took them ages to write the drivers for W2k. On the other side of the coin however, once you get it all working it is really good gear. When the DV200 was released the XL1 was still in the pipeline, so check to see if you have the lateset driver at http://www.pinnaclesys.com/support/display.asp?ProductID=317&DocTypesID=14 __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

November 5th, 2001, 05:39 PM	#9
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	The repeated stories about Pinnacle issues are making me steer clear of their DV500 and am putting together a plan for acquiring a Matrox RT2500 on the PC side...it comes w/Adobe Premiere which I need anyway, and looks like the breakout box is just what I need for capturing analog material (which I still receive from the outside). Hopefully the Matrox is more reliable in non-turnkey scenarios. __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

November 5th, 2001, 11:58 PM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Whatever you do, don't overlook Canopus: their DVStorm and DVRaptor-RT are superb. Plus, real-time output to FireWire, which the Matrox and Pinnacle cards don't have. See www.justedit.com __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 27th, 2001, 07:03 AM	#3
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,487	Your current DV200 drivers probably do not support the XL1. Shame on Pinnacle for that. It has been my observation that device drivers are a long standing weakness in the Pinnacle product lines. Two examples: It took them well over a year to update drivers LANC drivers to support the Sony EVS7000 in the mid-late 1990s, about a year to address issues with GL1 support in DV500.

October 28th, 2001, 05:45 PM	#5
Mike Metcalf Posts: n/a	Thanks Guys, I have installed latest 2.10 drivers and still have the problem. Pinnacle over the phone have told me today that they are awaiting some futher drivers to fix this problem. I am loosing faith now with Pinnacle and was considering upgrading to Pro One. Any advice on a comparative system would be appreciated. Mike PS I am now a true concert to message boards - I have more confidence in this message board than Canon and Pinnacle's on line support service. There are no sales piches here. Thanks again!

November 1st, 2001, 10:02 PM	#6
pjssssss Posts: n/a	I don't want to get flamed here, BUT Mike...learn your lesson. This is indeed the past track record from Pinnacle. You can turn gray waiting for new drivers. I have been there. I have been thrilled ever since I switched to Canopus

November 4th, 2001, 10:51 AM	#7
Mike Metcalf Posts: n/a	Thanks, I am now having second thoughts in buying Pinnacle's latest release in Pro one. Can anyone recommend an alternative. How does Canopus compare? I really want to get full use of my XL1 and keep data on miniDV. Mike.

November 5th, 2001, 10:42 AM	#8
pjssssss Posts: n/a	Mike, I went trough a large research time about 18 months ago, checking on all the available NLE systems out there that would get me the best bang for the buck. I settled on Canopus and have been thrilled since then. One of the main things I did (and I suggest this for everyone) is I hung out in all the user forums (had to borrow a password or 2 for some) to get the feel of what the users thought after they had made their purchase. You see what I chose. Depending on your needs and budget, I suggest looking at the Canopus Storm or Raptor RT. Go to the Canopus forum (justedit.com and hey...Chris is a big contributor there) with any questions you might have.

November 6th, 2001, 01:35 PM	#11
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	At least you have lots of choices on the PC side. As for the Mac platform, you're kind of stuck, it's the Matrox RT and it requires Apple Final Cut Pro (not included). Therefore, what appears to be a real bargain at first --hey! ready to cut videos right out of the box, Firewire built in and free I-Movie!-- becomes the cold reality. I'm not saying it's not a good system, but it forces you into some choices you may not prefer (and not cheap). __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

November 6th, 2001, 02:36 PM	#12
pjssssss Posts: n/a	I really thought hard about posting again, because I hate to sound like a cheerleader for Canopus but here is one post in the Canopus forum that I copied. "For over a year ago I was thrilled over what the new Matrox RT2000 seemed could do for the guy with less money. People at the Matrox forum really liked their cards and the support from Matrox. For six months ago I got my eyes on the DVStorm card and immediately focused on that card instead, due to it was obviously more modern e.g scalability. As I now waiting for UPS to deliver my DVStorm card any day now, I took my time to browsing into the Matrox forum again to watch the status. It was a chocking experience! For me it look like Matrox ended their support and have no customer relation at all. A LOT of people yelling in the forum about nonfunctional cards/drivers an no response from Matrox. And several of them want to sell their cards in the forum at best bid! I feel I'm a very lucky bastard to not join that train a year ago..." There are many more like this one. Do yourself a favor and go to the Canopus site and do a search on the RT2000 or 2500 and get a few reviews from former users.

November 6th, 2001, 04:36 PM	#13
Mike Metcalf Posts: n/a	Excellent advice! I will take it this evening and have a good look around, especially just edit.com. I originally chose Pinnacle DV200 on price got totally hooked on editing and now creating some excellent work. I love working with the XL1 and sometimes with the smaller Sony. My hobby is starting to turn semi pro and I want to spend about £1000 on next sytem. Real time is a must and at present my tecnique is 'keep it simple'. I tend to use music and sound to create the effect I want with simple transitions. No tack! Your advice Guys has been valuable and really think I must move away from Pinnacle and have a good look at Canopus Storm. Mike

November 7th, 2001, 04:08 PM	#14
Robert Mann Z. Skyonic New York Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 614	i use a dc2000 & dc1000...with an xl1 and i have had no problems, however i suggest you get a minidv edit bay and save your xl1 head... as for pinn support..it sucks, however there is no better card then the 2000/1000 in there price range, the quality is a lot better the any other pinn card or matrox or canopus... using your bob inputs on the dc you will get 4:2:2, now i know the xl1 is only 4:2:0 but you will work in higher color space...which makes the diff...as for special effects page curls, or flashy splashy effects see other cards... (however the color correction on the canopus card is great) Last edited by Robert Mann Z.; November 7th, 2001 at 09:16 PM.

November 8th, 2001, 02:09 AM	#15
Manuel Albarracin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale Posts: 54	dv500 and xl1s I use a dv500 and it is having troubles recognizing my Xl1s. I had to use my sony DVcam DRV-1000 to capture through the firewire connection. Is there somebody in this forum sucessful in using the DV500 with the Xl1s If so what operating system are you using.