what's a great xeon mobo for dvstorm at DVinfo.net

Manuel Albarracin · October 14th, 2002, 04:03 PM

I now have the tyan S2460 running with a couple of 1900's. I am wondering and planning to upgrade to a dual Xeon4 2.4.

Is there anybody here working with DVstorm on a dual Xeon machine here.

How is it performing? Please what is your configuration?

thanks a lot

Rob Lohman · October 16th, 2002, 12:38 PM

What do you hope to gain to go from two 1900's to two 2400's?
I doubt it will make a huge difference (not tried myself or anything).
Perhaps more interesting to put money into more harddisk space,
camera acc. , tapes, DVD burner etc.?

Just a thought...

Manuel Albarracin · October 23rd, 2002, 01:40 PM

Right now I am unhappy with the present system configuration. To name a few irritants.... it is so noisy. Having the fans and the six drives running drives me crazy.
Another reason is it hangs after a while say after an hour or so.
That is why I am inquiring from the experience of Xeon users as to how well the Dvstorm is behaving with their system.
Oh by the way before I upgraded to a dual 1900 MP I use to have a dual P3 1 gig which was so silent compared to the Athlon system. Runs cooler too.
I was hoping that a dual Xeon would run cooler and silently compared to a duallie Athlon.

Keith Luken · October 23rd, 2002, 05:40 PM

Xeon systems are expensive, for the same money next month you'll be abel to geta 3GHz P4! And it will have Hyper-threading (psuedo multi-processing). Does DV Storm take FULL advantage of dual CPUs? Most Dual Xeon MoBos are desigend for servers and are not offering latest AGP and stuff.

Manuel Albarracin · October 24th, 2002, 05:07 PM

I guess the DVstorm according to their ads becomes better when you throw in more CPU power behind it. Processing multiple steams or realtime as such.
Expense is no option for me at this time I have been saving for this quite a while.
As for the in board video cards and network cards you can always disable them and put a video card of your choice. I have decided to use the present peripherals from my old computer and just upgrade the mobo and the cpu....plus memory if needed.
By the way if you have tried a dual cpu I guess you do not want to get back to a single.

Keith Luken · October 24th, 2002, 05:32 PM

True, just be careful, some Dual Xeon boards do NOT have an AGP slot as the video is on board and they figure that is all you need for a server. And with dual Xeons you actually get 4 logical CPUs to the OS so if the processor is waiting on somrhting it can shift more horsepower to the other logical CPU.

Doug Quance · October 25th, 2002, 10:16 AM

I don't know about other configurations, but I have twin Xeon 2.2's in my system...

There's a total of 9 fans in this box. Yes, NINE.

So much wind blowing through that thing, I seldom feel warm air coming from it. Talk about redundancy!

I don't think 'movin on up' is going to make your system any quieter. Of course, I could be wrong.

I am thinking of ways to encase it in a well ventilated, yet baffled box to cut down the noise.

We refer to it as "firing up the blowtorch".

My 2 cents.

Zac Stein · October 25th, 2002, 10:23 AM

couple athlon mp 2000+ loads of ram and harddrive space would blow away any xeons you need, and would be 1/4 of the price. You are flushing money if you are investing in xeons for home use.

kermie

Manuel Albarracin · October 25th, 2002, 01:06 PM

Hi Doug I did not know that you have to install a lot of fans for the Xeon. I heard that they run cooler that the AMD's. I guess your system beats me in the number of fans I got six fans and planning to put more coz it gets hot after a while. I can relate to you as to the noise that it makes. You can heard the fans three rooms down.
As for Kermie I already have dual 1900's with lots of memory as mentioned before. I was just wondering if upgrading it to a Xeon is worth it.

Doug Quance · October 26th, 2002, 01:32 PM

Well, Mantral, all those fans weren't my idea.

The company I had build it believes in the virtues of a cool machine!

It really doesn't hurt my feelings... I remember twenty-odd years ago when we kept our computer room cold enough to hang meat.

It's all in redundancy. I am sure the system could work perfectly well with half of those fans failing.

When you shell out that much money for your system, it's nice to know that some relatively inexpensive part failing won't take out some rather expensive components!

My 2 cents.

Rick O'Brien · November 9th, 2002, 04:47 PM

I would suggest you run windows XP on the dual Athlon system.
Just in case you are running Win 2000. XP OS has been known to fix freeze problems.

All fans are NOT created equal. I would suggest investing in some new better and less noisey CPU fans.
Then replace your case fans with the same.
One cheap antec fan can be as loud as three higher end fans.
I have two 2460's I have better fans in one of them and the noise is cut in half.
I also place them on the floor under my bench. This helps cut the noise as well.

If your really convinced about getting a new rig, let me know what you will sell the 2460 with CPU's for.

Regrards,

Manuel Albarracin · November 9th, 2002, 05:55 PM

Hi Rick
Thank you for the info and by the way your site is very informative. I have been banging my head everytime the s2460 crashes. I thought that I was doing something wrong or blaming it to the software, hardware or installation errors.
If I have some extra time to fool around with the system I will follow your advice and install a XP OS.
Speaking of fans for the AMD Cpu's and the case fans can you give me a suggestion on which ones. Coz the ones that seems capable enough to cool the Cpu's are the large ones and sounds like a jet engine.
Also I thought that the Cpu's were over heating whenever the system freezes and usually when I am in Premiere.

Jason Wood · November 9th, 2002, 06:46 PM

Well, if the only time your box eats it is when you're in Premiere...then it might just be Premiere. Premiere is infamous for crashing and burning.

You might try XP, as Rick suggested. You might perform the Windows 2000 edit performance tweaks found at the Videoguys website (http://www.videoguys.com/Win2K.html) to gain better stability. You might also try more stable edit software like Vegas.

Maybe your instability is the result of a conflicting piece of hardware? Maybe you have a bad stick of RAM?

I know of a couple people running workstations with similar specs and their systems seem to be performing at high levels.

Don't junk your current set-up just yet.

Rick O'Brien · November 9th, 2002, 07:55 PM

Sure,
it has been a while since I was shopping for them but I have the info somewhere on my computer. I'll look later tonight.
Also try running Adobe through some hoops for a while then go into your bios. you can check the temperature of the CPU's in the tyan bios.
Let us know what it is running at.

Cheers, and thanks for the kind words.

Rick O'Brien · November 11th, 2002, 08:17 PM

http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/silentcpu.html

Here is the link for High quality and quiet CPU and case fans.

October 14th, 2002, 04:03 PM	#1
Manuel Albarracin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale Posts: 54	what's a great xeon mobo for dvstorm I now have the tyan S2460 running with a couple of 1900's. I am wondering and planning to upgrade to a dual Xeon4 2.4. Is there anybody here working with DVstorm on a dual Xeon machine here. How is it performing? Please what is your configuration? thanks a lot

October 16th, 2002, 12:38 PM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	What do you hope to gain to go from two 1900's to two 2400's? I doubt it will make a huge difference (not tried myself or anything). Perhaps more interesting to put money into more harddisk space, camera acc. , tapes, DVD burner etc.? Just a thought... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 23rd, 2002, 01:40 PM	#3
Manuel Albarracin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale Posts: 54	lot to gain Right now I am unhappy with the present system configuration. To name a few irritants.... it is so noisy. Having the fans and the six drives running drives me crazy. Another reason is it hangs after a while say after an hour or so. That is why I am inquiring from the experience of Xeon users as to how well the Dvstorm is behaving with their system. Oh by the way before I upgraded to a dual 1900 MP I use to have a dual P3 1 gig which was so silent compared to the Athlon system. Runs cooler too. I was hoping that a dual Xeon would run cooler and silently compared to a duallie Athlon.

October 25th, 2002, 10:16 AM	#7
Doug Quance Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 138	I don't know about other configurations, but I have twin Xeon 2.2's in my system... There's a total of 9 fans in this box. Yes, NINE. So much wind blowing through that thing, I seldom feel warm air coming from it. Talk about redundancy! I don't think 'movin on up' is going to make your system any quieter. Of course, I could be wrong. I am thinking of ways to encase it in a well ventilated, yet baffled box to cut down the noise. We refer to it as "firing up the blowtorch". My 2 cents. __________________ If you're not the lead dog... the scenery never changes

October 25th, 2002, 01:06 PM	#9
Manuel Albarracin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale Posts: 54	dual xeon or dual athlon mp Hi Doug I did not know that you have to install a lot of fans for the Xeon. I heard that they run cooler that the AMD's. I guess your system beats me in the number of fans I got six fans and planning to put more coz it gets hot after a while. I can relate to you as to the noise that it makes. You can heard the fans three rooms down. As for Kermie I already have dual 1900's with lots of memory as mentioned before. I was just wondering if upgrading it to a Xeon is worth it.

October 23rd, 2002, 05:40 PM	#4
Keith Luken Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 200	Xeon systems are expensive, for the same money next month you'll be abel to geta 3GHz P4! And it will have Hyper-threading (psuedo multi-processing). Does DV Storm take FULL advantage of dual CPUs? Most Dual Xeon MoBos are desigend for servers and are not offering latest AGP and stuff.

October 24th, 2002, 05:07 PM	#5
Manuel Albarracin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale Posts: 54	I guess the DVstorm according to their ads becomes better when you throw in more CPU power behind it. Processing multiple steams or realtime as such. Expense is no option for me at this time I have been saving for this quite a while. As for the in board video cards and network cards you can always disable them and put a video card of your choice. I have decided to use the present peripherals from my old computer and just upgrade the mobo and the cpu....plus memory if needed. By the way if you have tried a dual cpu I guess you do not want to get back to a single.

October 24th, 2002, 05:32 PM	#6
Keith Luken Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 200	True, just be careful, some Dual Xeon boards do NOT have an AGP slot as the video is on board and they figure that is all you need for a server. And with dual Xeons you actually get 4 logical CPUs to the OS so if the processor is waiting on somrhting it can shift more horsepower to the other logical CPU.

October 25th, 2002, 10:23 AM	#8
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	couple athlon mp 2000+ loads of ram and harddrive space would blow away any xeons you need, and would be 1/4 of the price. You are flushing money if you are investing in xeons for home use. kermie

October 26th, 2002, 01:32 PM	#10
Doug Quance Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 138	Well, Mantral, all those fans weren't my idea. The company I had build it believes in the virtues of a cool machine! It really doesn't hurt my feelings... I remember twenty-odd years ago when we kept our computer room cold enough to hang meat. It's all in redundancy. I am sure the system could work perfectly well with half of those fans failing. When you shell out that much money for your system, it's nice to know that some relatively inexpensive part failing won't take out some rather expensive components! My 2 cents. __________________ If you're not the lead dog... the scenery never changes

November 9th, 2002, 04:47 PM	#11
Rick O'Brien Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 36	I would suggest you run windows XP on the dual Athlon system. Just in case you are running Win 2000. XP OS has been known to fix freeze problems. All fans are NOT created equal. I would suggest investing in some new better and less noisey CPU fans. Then replace your case fans with the same. One cheap antec fan can be as loud as three higher end fans. I have two 2460's I have better fans in one of them and the noise is cut in half. I also place them on the floor under my bench. This helps cut the noise as well. If your really convinced about getting a new rig, let me know what you will sell the 2460 with CPU's for. Regrards, __________________ Rick O'Brien -Multimedia Producer See the NLE Motherboard configuration site. www.2behold.com/NLE.htm -Stable working systems motherboard configurations-

November 9th, 2002, 05:55 PM	#12
Manuel Albarracin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale Posts: 54	very informative site Hi Rick Thank you for the info and by the way your site is very informative. I have been banging my head everytime the s2460 crashes. I thought that I was doing something wrong or blaming it to the software, hardware or installation errors. If I have some extra time to fool around with the system I will follow your advice and install a XP OS. Speaking of fans for the AMD Cpu's and the case fans can you give me a suggestion on which ones. Coz the ones that seems capable enough to cool the Cpu's are the large ones and sounds like a jet engine. Also I thought that the Cpu's were over heating whenever the system freezes and usually when I am in Premiere.

November 9th, 2002, 06:46 PM	#13
Jason Wood Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Well, if the only time your box eats it is when you're in Premiere...then it might just be Premiere. Premiere is infamous for crashing and burning. You might try XP, as Rick suggested. You might perform the Windows 2000 edit performance tweaks found at the Videoguys website (http://www.videoguys.com/Win2K.html) to gain better stability. You might also try more stable edit software like Vegas. Maybe your instability is the result of a conflicting piece of hardware? Maybe you have a bad stick of RAM? I know of a couple people running workstations with similar specs and their systems seem to be performing at high levels. Don't junk your current set-up just yet.

November 9th, 2002, 07:55 PM	#14
Rick O'Brien Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 36	Sure, it has been a while since I was shopping for them but I have the info somewhere on my computer. I'll look later tonight. Also try running Adobe through some hoops for a while then go into your bios. you can check the temperature of the CPU's in the tyan bios. Let us know what it is running at. Cheers, and thanks for the kind words. __________________ Rick O'Brien -Multimedia Producer See the NLE Motherboard configuration site. www.2behold.com/NLE.htm -Stable working systems motherboard configurations-

November 11th, 2002, 08:17 PM	#15
Rick O'Brien Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 36	http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/silentcpu.html Here is the link for High quality and quiet CPU and case fans. __________________ Rick O'Brien -Multimedia Producer See the NLE Motherboard configuration site. www.2behold.com/NLE.htm -Stable working systems motherboard configurations-