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Old March 8th, 2011, 12:56 PM   #1
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Creating 2 sided DVDs

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I am using Premiere Pro CS5 and Encore CS5. In Encore there is a Build option for 2 sided DVDs. I have searched and searched for more detailed information on this option. I have a project that I found out is to big to fit on one single layer DVD. I wanted to see if this option would sort of automate the task of breaking up the project into two disks. If this option does not do that then what is the purpose of this option. Is it that a dual-sided DVD is not exactly the same as 2 single sided DVDs in construction.

Any help or thoughts will be appreciated,

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Old March 8th, 2011, 10:07 PM   #2
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Re: Creating 2 sided DVDs

Whilst a two-sided DVD is possible and was part of the original ideas on what can be done with a DVD, they just never happened. Probably due to not having anywhere on the disc to print anything about the content. (movie title, etc)

So what you are indeed talking about the need to do is to produce a "dual layer" (single sided as always) DVD.

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Old March 8th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #3
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Actually both Blockbuster and Red Box has in the past offered 2 sided DVDs. WEll not so much offered as that's what the distributor gave them. One side was SD4:3 and the other was SD Wide Screen. the only way to know what side was what was the very very tiny printing on the ring around the center hub that said WS or STD as I recall.
I haven't seen that type of DVD from the rentals for a while now nor have I ever seen them from a supplier.
Go with the suggested double layer DVD or split into 2 single layers or compress the material to fit. I've layed out 3 hours of material on a single layer DVD with Vegas and DVD Architec and while I wouldn't show it on a theater screen for the purposes I needed at the time it was actually quite acceptible. Seminars without a lot of movement so I could get away with it.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 02:31 PM   #4
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Whilst a two-sided DVD is possible and was part of the original ideas on what can be done with a DVD, they just never happened. Probably due to not having anywhere on the disc to print anything about the content. (movie title, etc)

So what you are indeed talking about the need to do is to produce a "dual layer" (single sided as always) DVD.

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What I really wanted to know is one, how one uses this feature in Encore in theory and two, could I use Encore to slit my movie and put it on two separate DVDs. If it is possible this would be much easier than trying to split the movie manually and having to re export both parts. If Encore could just split it for me that would be a lot easier.

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Old March 16th, 2011, 02:34 PM   #5
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One other thing, is there any way to manually split the movie in Encore?

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Old March 16th, 2011, 03:16 PM   #6
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Re: Creating 2 sided DVDs

I'm guessing you mean a dual layer DVD ie one with twice the capacity because two layers are "bonded" together. Most Hollywood movies are on dual layer discs and occasionally I see the slight stutter as the laser moves from one layer to the next.

In my collection I have a two sided DVD. Overall it has the same capacity as a dual layer disc, but you play one side then have to open the player and turn it over so the laser can read the second side.

I'm not sure, but I don't think Encore can do two sided DVDs (and I imagine blanks discs of that type are a bit of a specialist item). However I have used Encore to create dual layer discs and it was quite easy. I just followed the instructions in the manual. I created the layer break manually, but I'm sure there is an option to have it done automatically.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #7
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No, actually I am talking about the Encore option under Build that says side 1 and side 2 options. As I was saying I just wondered how that works. and if Encode cuts the project or if this is only two separate projects and if latter is correct what is the purpose of specifying side 1, side 2? If Encore cuts the project then I thought I could just use two single layer DVDs.
I have read here that Dual-layer DVDs really don't work very well. Some people use them but a lot of people have problems.

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Old March 29th, 2011, 05:43 AM   #8
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Re: Creating 2 sided DVDs

IMHO it's much better to use dual-layer than 2-sided DVD, mostly for user experience. Who wants to get up in the middle of the movie and change sides? There's enough pain with choosing the layer break point so that it does not interfere with watching as it is, and we don't need the side switching unless it is for some reason necessary.

Anyway, if you do happen to be making dual sided ISO files, remember to run Encore as an administrator to avoid the inexplicable "access denied" error on build.
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Old March 29th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #9
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Re: Creating 2 sided DVDs

Your thoughts are always welcome. I think I must not be explaining myself well enough. As you said my question is how do you create a two sided DVD? I can't find any information on this option.

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Old March 29th, 2011, 01:35 PM   #10
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From the Encore Help files at:

Adobe Encore CS5 * Determining disc size

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Dual-sided disc
For dual-sided DVDs, you must create two separate projects. If you will replicate the DVDs at an outside facility, use the DVD Master output option to write each project to its own DLT.
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Disc Info ...

For DVD output, Disc Info also includes the following settings:...

...Side Select One or Two to specify the side of a dual-sided DVD. (For more information, see Determining disc size.)
at Adobe Encore CS5 * Building the finished project

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By setting the disc size for your DVD project at the beginning of the authoring process, Encore can calculate how much space is used for each asset you add to the project and how much space remains free.

1.Choose Window > Build.

2.In the Build panel, choose DVD from the Format menu, and scroll down to the Disc Info section.

3.Choose a size from the Size menu. To enter a custom disc size, choose Custom and then type a size in the text box.

4.If you want to create a dual-sided disc, specify which side this project is for.

5.Close the Build panel and save the project.
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http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/c...C7AFAE03a.html



Admittedly, not what you'd call comprehensive but maybe enough to get you pointed in the right direction.
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Old March 29th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #11
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Re: Creating 2 sided DVDs

Thank you for trying to help. I read most if not all of this information. But I still did not understand the point of specifying side 1 vs side 2. i will try it again. The bottom line is that it looks like Encore will not split one project into 2 projects. I also was not sure how to specify which time line was project one, side 1 and which time line was project #2, side 2. I usually create two output files from Premiere Pro. One, being a full video and a second being a Highlight Reel. Most of the time both of these will fit on one Single layer DVD. I had a project recently where the highlight reel would not fit on the same DVD. But I don't know how to tell Encore to put it on a separate DVD without creating another separate Encore project. And yes, there was also another project that I wanted to split the main video into two separate DVD without having to go back and do it again in Premiere Pro.
I would buy some Dual layer DVDs to use them in these cases but I keep hearing bad stories using Dual Layer Discs. So I decided not to try them.

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Old March 29th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #12
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Re: Creating 2 sided DVDs

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The bottom line is that it looks like Encore will not split one project into 2 projects.
As it says above, it won't. You have to create two separate projects.

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But I don't know how to tell Encore to put it on a separate DVD without creating another separate Encore project.
As it says above, you can't. You have to create two separate projects.

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I also was not sure how to specify which time line was project one, side 1 and which time line was project #2, side 2.
As it says above, you don't. You have to create two separate projects.

It's not that hard. Set your work area bar in Premiere to cover part one, then export to Encore. Then re-set the Work Area Bar to cover part two and do it again.

But it's so much easier to do a dual-layer disc than two-sided. Encore makes the layer break for you if you tell it to. But look at the bottom of the graphic below -- that's where you specify the side on a dual-sided disc.
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Old March 29th, 2011, 07:00 PM   #13
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Re: Creating 2 sided DVDs

Right, That what I thought. And that is what confuses my if you understand what I am confused about. And you are getting really close. so If I can't do any of those thing my confusion is what is the Side 1 Side 2 Option for?

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Old March 29th, 2011, 07:15 PM   #14
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Sorry, you lost me. I actually don't understand what the confusion is, so I apologize. You create two projects as if you were doing two separate discs. Burn side one, then flip the disc over, go to the other project and burn side two. I am also not sure why you actually have to specify a side. Are there burners that can burn to either side without flipping over the disc? A web search seems to indicate there are, or were. If so, that might be what the purpose of this setting is. Burn side one, close the project, open 2nd project, indicate side two and burn.

But if you have to get up to eject, flip and reinsert the disc during playback, isn't easier to just burn two discs?
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Old March 29th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #15
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In what you are saying I think I understand. I just create two totally separate projects in two totally separate Encore projects. And burn to separate DVDs. Are we on the same page at this point? If Yes, then that is where my confusion comes in. Why is there an option under the Build section of Encore CS5 to specify side one or side 2. To see this option you will have to scroll down a little. It sound like neither of us know the answer to this question. Well, I will keep searching for an answer. I might post back here my findings if I discover anything. I have never used anything but single layer DVDs so maybe 2 sided DVD are constructed differently or as you said maybe there were recorders out there that burned on both sides without having to flip the disk over.
I was hoping Encore would allow me to take two different timelines in one project and then specify one timeline as side one and the second timeline as side two. I don't see anyway to do this in Encore.

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