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Old July 14th, 2006, 12:40 PM   #16
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Hmmm...don't count on it - it is still beta. High performance stuff still needs finalizing...
And talk about resources....
I will say that what I used of vista was pretty impressive. My soundcard drivers aren't vista compatible and I couldn't find drivers for my ide-raid card, but overall it was a pleasant experience.
I didn't like that there is no list view in windows explorer and internet explorer really complains when it's security settings aren't enabled.
I liked the analog clock widget and the thumbnails when mousing over the startbar.
I think as things get fleshed out it will be a worthy upgrade.
Resource hog? A new Microsoft product? Nah.
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Old July 14th, 2006, 01:21 PM   #17
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I like to keep task manager minimized to the system tray so I can see my cpu usage. The cpu meter disappears when in the tray SOMETIMES. Usually, closing task manager and reopening it will bring it back.
Try this. Right click on the System Tray and choose Properties. In the Properties box under Notification area uncheck "Hide inactive icons."
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Old July 14th, 2006, 03:08 PM   #18
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Ewww...
Why would I want to hide stuff? That's one of the problems with xp. It takes the powerful nt operating system and dumbs it down so grandmothers can use it.
Show hidden and system files; check. Hide extensions for known file types; uncheck.
Hehehe...
And when I was refering to ie not liking the security stuff disabled I was actually talking about ie and not vista. IE pops the little warning dialog down on every webpage when you have stuff turned off.
Since this thread has gone off on a tangent, let me bring it back to plumb...
Are there any simple (free even) programs to just capture over firewire and save as uncompressed avi? I know Serious Magic's DvRack will and it works with 2k. Are there other options?
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Old July 14th, 2006, 05:20 PM   #19
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Are there any simple (free even) programs to just capture over firewire and save as uncompressed avi? I know Serious Magic's DvRack will and it works with 2k. Are there other options?
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To clarify - DV input and save AVI as uncompressed full-frame 24-bit RGB?

Do you need to do it in one step - i.e., the uncompressed AVI is written at the time of capture? Or can you accept capturing to DV AVI then uncompressed afterward?

For the later, there's a myriad of things. For the former, Microsoft has a great little widget called GraphEdit - supposedly for DirectShow application developers. With it, you can do almost anything as long as the filters exist on your computer. Officially, it is only available with the Platform SDK but a Google will doubtless come up with unofficial sources of it.

Mind if I ask why you want uncompressed?

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Old July 14th, 2006, 11:40 PM   #20
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My bad...
I forgot that dv is still compressed, just not to the point of mpeg2/4. I just want a standard dv .avi file.
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Old July 15th, 2006, 06:39 AM   #21
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Windows Movie Maker will - it's free but you'd have to succumb to XP!

Google for "DVApp" - another Microsoft freebie that is supposed to only be available with the Platform SDK but has been "put out there". Can't recall if the latest version works with Win2K or not. MS improved the DV device handling in XP and some apps compiled expressly for XP or higher may not work on Win2K.

WinDV - never tried it but it's free.

For XP, our very own DV Processor - beta at the moment.

Also, do you know if you need Type-1 or Type-2 DV AVI files? i.e., what do you intend to do with the AVI files? Depending on any other software you decide to use with them, you may have limitations.
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Old July 15th, 2006, 09:36 AM   #22
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Also, do you know if you need Type-1 or Type-2 DV AVI files? i.e., what do you intend to do with the AVI files? Depending on any other software you decide to use with them, you may have limitations.
Hmmm...
I'm not sure. In the past, I have edited in Avid Xpress so I was aiming for just recording to hard drive in omf. Since I'm using wink2 I think I'll be stuck with either Premiere 6.5 or Vegas 6 (I'm playing with Vegas currently).
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Old July 15th, 2006, 09:38 AM   #23
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Oh, and I found that VASST has a free 2-cam plugin, for Vegas, called DoubleTake. I haven't used it, yet, but if you only need 2 cams then it would probably be good enough.
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Old July 15th, 2006, 09:54 AM   #24
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Hmmm...
Since I'm using wink2 I think I'll be stuck with either Premiere 6.5 or Vegas 6 (I'm playing with Vegas currently).
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Type 2 DV AVI most likely (for Premiere 6.5). Don't know about Vegas.

If you get DVApp, you can capture to either and test the captured files that way.

Also, if you have Premiere 6.5, it will capture for you - is there a problem doing it that way?

When you say 'omf' - are you after files that are the raw DV instead of wrapped in an AVI file. If so, (it pains me to suggest, but...), Quicktime ("Pro" version) can create .DV files - the raw deal. Not sure if it can do it from AVI or not, though. Definitely from MOV).

Kinda confused as to what your end objective is here...
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Old July 15th, 2006, 10:27 AM   #25
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DvApp:
free
works with win2k
uses ~25% cpu
uses ~12mb ram
plays audio while capturing
displays timecode from the camera
has camera controls

WinDv:
free
works with win2k
uses ~12% cpu
uses ~20mb ram
splits files automatically with break in timecode

AmCap:
not free (demo stops after 3 1/2 minutes or 3 stills)
works with win2k
uses ~25% cpu
uses ~15mb ram
based on DvApp
ability for direct mpeg/wmv compression
vmr9 preview instead of overlay
still capture
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Old July 15th, 2006, 10:31 AM   #26
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Also, if you have Premiere 6.5, it will capture for you - is there a problem doing it that way?
Only that I don't know if I'm going to use P65 or not.
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When you say 'omf' - are you after files that are the raw DV instead of wrapped in an AVI file. If so, (it pains me to suggest, but...), Quicktime ("Pro" version) can create .DV files - the raw deal. Not sure if it can do it from AVI or not, though. Definitely from MOV).
Avid uses 3 .omf files (video, audio left, audio right). The firestore hard drives can capture in omf (I think it's basically just dv avi split up with a different extension. The reason that I wanted to do that with Avid was so there was no conversion time. If I used .dv, .mov, .avi, etc... it had to convert everything to .omf, which takes a very long time.
Basically, it's nice to use whatever format your nle wants to use. Since I haven't decided what I want to use with 2k, yet, I'm not sure what format I want.
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Old July 15th, 2006, 11:16 AM   #27
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DvApp:
free
works with win2k
uses ~25% cpu
uses ~12mb ram
plays audio while capturing
If you capture without preview, minimize the app during capture or select a smaller preview size, the CPU usage will drop markedly...

Re .omf, what you'd like to do is capture to .omf but not via Avid?
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Old July 15th, 2006, 04:59 PM   #28
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Re .omf, what you'd like to do is capture to .omf but not via Avid?
You're missing the point. I'm not using Avid, because I'm not using xp. Since I'm not using Avid, there's no reason to do omf. When I get hardcore into video editing, then I'll probably be forced back into xp and use Avid. For the moment, though, I just want something that I can get dv off tape using 2k. WinDv seems to be the best option, right now.
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