tape reloading is killing me at DVinfo.net

Juni Zhao · March 29th, 2009, 08:06 AM

One hour continuous recording time is not enough for many live shootings. I know I can get a clip-on hard drive friewire recorder, but $2000 for a 80gb, half the money of my A1??? Do you guys know any cheaper hard drive recorder? I am fine with used ones, anything under $600? Thanks

Bill Koehler · March 29th, 2009, 08:29 AM

Sounds like you're in the market for one of these:

HVR-MRC1K | B&H Photo Video

That's the closest I know of to your $600 (used) price point.
Of course, this is new.

If you do a search on this website you will find a lot of discussion about this unit.
If you want a look at the manual for this unit, go here:

Sony Product Detail Page - HVRMRC1K

and click on the 'Downloads' tab.

Juni Zhao · March 29th, 2009, 09:10 AM

Thanks so much... But this unit takes up to 16 GB flash card, still cant do 4-5 hour continuous shooting without reloading the card. So I think HDD 80GB+ would be ideal. Unfortunately its just beyond my affordability....

John Estcourt · March 29th, 2009, 09:16 AM

Why not capture to a laptop Pc if you are going to be static, I often capture to a pc for over 10 hrs continuous ( well nearly continuous )
My cheap tower unit is great for this.

Adam Gold · March 29th, 2009, 11:06 AM

This seems like an intriguing solution. With laptop prices as low as they are, it seems a basic laptop that could do this (if you didn't need to be moving around) could be had to do this for less than the on-cam recorders.

But also check out the Firestores, which I think can be had for around $750.

Edit: The one I was thinking of has been discontinued; here's its replacement, about $900:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...table_DTE.html

Juni Zhao · March 29th, 2009, 02:13 PM

well, not all shooting conditions are ideal, sometimes can't even find an AC plug like an open field, and sometimes nowhere to place a computer like a small theater..... a 4-5 hour battery powered clip-on drive is always my first choice... so i'll just keep searching for an affordable used one.... If you happened to see one under $600 please let me know....thanks

Harold Schreiber · March 29th, 2009, 05:35 PM

Hi Juni,

May I ask what you're taping that lasts so long ??

Do you need to record in HD, or would SD be good enough ??

How often do you record without AC available ?

Harold

Brian Drysdale · April 1st, 2009, 07:37 AM

I must admit I haven't shot anything which doesn't have natural breaks or speakers padding things out with verbage that can hit the cutting room floor without any problem.

The only event that can I think which has that truly has point by point significance over long sustained periods would be a court case. The rest tend to be things that get recorded, but are never seen again in their totality. People may want every moment through the day continuously recorded, but do they ever watch the material all the way through?

Andy Tejral · April 1st, 2009, 07:40 AM

Look at the Firestores on the Videoguys website. I already deleted the email but they had some refurbished models that might be just the thing for you.

Jack Walker · April 2nd, 2009, 02:17 PM

Here's a refurbished Citidisk 80 GB drive for $649.00:
ProCon | CitiDISK HD External Video Capture Device | CDHD80

I haven't used these, but I know I've read other people have.

There are other Citidisk products at B&H:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...arch&Q=*&bhs=t

Juni Zhao · April 3rd, 2009, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harold Schreiber

Hi Juni,

May I ask what you're taping that lasts so long ??

Do you need to record in HD, or would SD be good enough ??

How often do you record without AC available ?

Harold

It may not be too long, but longer than the one hour tape, sometimes its continuous like speech. Sometimes I get AC sometimes don't. Like last time I shot a show, I told the storyteller to pause for 10 sec in the middle so I could reload the tape, but he forgot, it wasn't totally my fault, but feel like very unprofessional.

Juni Zhao · April 3rd, 2009, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Walker

Here's a refurbished Citidisk 80 GB drive for $649.00:
ProCon | CitiDISK HD External Video Capture Device | CDHD80

I haven't used these, but I know I've read other people have.

There are other Citidisk products at B&H:
citidisk | B&H Photo Video

Thanks a lot, this refurbished one looks interesting......

Harold Schreiber · April 3rd, 2009, 07:44 AM

Hi Juni,

I've done all-day shoots, so lots of ways to set up for them.

Sounds like you can get buy either using the longer tapes, or by using the Cam's slower recording speed. I've done both, with excellent results.

For the longer tapes, I use the Panasonic DVC Professional ME - DVM80's. (AY-DVM80XJ )

Gives 80 mins at SP, and 120 mins at LP.

Harold

John Stakes · April 3rd, 2009, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juni Zhao

Thanks so much... But this unit takes up to 16 GB flash card, still cant do 4-5 hour continuous shooting...

One of the reviewers mentioned using this with a 32GB card. Just an FYI.

JS

Juni Zhao · April 7th, 2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harold Schreiber

Hi Juni,

I've done all-day shoots, so lots of ways to set up for them.

Sounds like you can get buy either using the longer tapes, or by using the Cam's slower recording speed. I've done both, with excellent results.

For the longer tapes, I use the Panasonic DVC Professional ME - DVM80's. (AY-DVM80XJ )

Gives 80 mins at SP, and 120 mins at LP.

Harold

Harold,

I heard that any DV tape longer than 60 min is not stable, especially for HDV shooting, more dropouts, have you experienced that?

March 29th, 2009, 08:06 AM	#1
Juni Zhao Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Andover, Ma Posts: 102	tape reloading is killing me One hour continuous recording time is not enough for many live shootings. I know I can get a clip-on hard drive friewire recorder, but $2000 for a 80gb, half the money of my A1??? Do you guys know any cheaper hard drive recorder? I am fine with used ones, anything under $600? Thanks

March 29th, 2009, 09:16 AM	#4
John Estcourt Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Scotland, Ayr www.amour weddingvideos.co.uk Posts: 305	Why not capture to a laptop Pc if you are going to be static, I often capture to a pc for over 10 hrs continuous ( well nearly continuous ) My cheap tower unit is great for this. __________________ john estcourt www.amourweddingvideos.co.uk

April 1st, 2009, 07:40 AM	#9
Andy Tejral Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 523	Look at the Firestores on the Videoguys website. I already deleted the email but they had some refurbished models that might be just the thing for you. __________________ Andy Tejral Railroad Videographer

March 29th, 2009, 08:29 AM	#2
Bill Koehler Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia, USA Posts: 760	Sounds like you're in the market for one of these: HVR-MRC1K \| B&H Photo Video That's the closest I know of to your $600 (used) price point. Of course, this is new. If you do a search on this website you will find a lot of discussion about this unit. If you want a look at the manual for this unit, go here: Sony Product Detail Page - HVRMRC1K and click on the 'Downloads' tab.

March 29th, 2009, 09:10 AM	#3
Juni Zhao Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Andover, Ma Posts: 102	Thanks so much... But this unit takes up to 16 GB flash card, still cant do 4-5 hour continuous shooting without reloading the card. So I think HDD 80GB+ would be ideal. Unfortunately its just beyond my affordability....

March 29th, 2009, 11:06 AM	#5
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	This seems like an intriguing solution. With laptop prices as low as they are, it seems a basic laptop that could do this (if you didn't need to be moving around) could be had to do this for less than the on-cam recorders. But also check out the Firestores, which I think can be had for around $750. Edit: The one I was thinking of has been discontinued; here's its replacement, about $900: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...table_DTE.html

March 29th, 2009, 02:13 PM	#6
Juni Zhao Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Andover, Ma Posts: 102	well, not all shooting conditions are ideal, sometimes can't even find an AC plug like an open field, and sometimes nowhere to place a computer like a small theater..... a 4-5 hour battery powered clip-on drive is always my first choice... so i'll just keep searching for an affordable used one.... If you happened to see one under $600 please let me know....thanks

March 29th, 2009, 05:35 PM	#7
Harold Schreiber Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 309	Hi Juni, May I ask what you're taping that lasts so long ?? Do you need to record in HD, or would SD be good enough ?? How often do you record without AC available ? Harold

April 1st, 2009, 07:37 AM	#8
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,143	I must admit I haven't shot anything which doesn't have natural breaks or speakers padding things out with verbage that can hit the cutting room floor without any problem. The only event that can I think which has that truly has point by point significance over long sustained periods would be a court case. The rest tend to be things that get recorded, but are never seen again in their totality. People may want every moment through the day continuously recorded, but do they ever watch the material all the way through?

April 2nd, 2009, 02:17 PM	#10
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	Here's a refurbished Citidisk 80 GB drive for $649.00: ProCon \| CitiDISK HD External Video Capture Device \| CDHD80 I haven't used these, but I know I've read other people have. There are other Citidisk products at B&H: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...arch&Q=*&bhs=t

April 3rd, 2009, 07:44 AM	#13
Harold Schreiber Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 309	Hi Juni, I've done all-day shoots, so lots of ways to set up for them. Sounds like you can get buy either using the longer tapes, or by using the Cam's slower recording speed. I've done both, with excellent results. For the longer tapes, I use the Panasonic DVC Professional ME - DVM80's. (AY-DVM80XJ ) Gives 80 mins at SP, and 120 mins at LP. Harold