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Elmer Lang October 19th, 2003 11:31 AM

160+ gb FW HDs
Any bad experiences with the big 160 or 200 gb FW HDs? Are they loud? Fraught with sticktion?

I want IBM. Maxtor makes me nervous. I'm thinking about the Lacie?

Any info you want to share would be appreciated.


Jeff Donald October 19th, 2003 12:00 PM

I use a Western Digital. It actually seems quieter than my older, smaller drives. IBM is making drives with cooperation from Hitachi. They seem to be a good alternative. Your older Mac may not recognize the entire size of the drive. It is a hardware issue with older computers. Another advantage to upgrade your computer.

Jeff Smallwood October 19th, 2003 12:13 PM

Yeah, we have a few 200gig WD drives, quite satisfied with them.

Glenn Chan October 19th, 2003 01:07 PM

IBM/hitachi drives are quieter than western digital drives. Go to storagereview.com and look at some of their drive reviews. Hopefully by comparing decibel levels between drives you will get an idea of how loud a FW drive will be.

IBM/hitachi and western digital drives are probably the best for video editing.

Lacie FW drives use WD drives inside (2MB buffer apparently). The most common advice is to go with a 8MB drive from IBM or WD with an enclosure with the oxford 911 bridge. Other World Computer and Granite are some popular brands for enclosures.

Some FCP users get dropped frames with firewire drives. It might be that the FW drive is sharing the same FW bus as your deck/camera. Getting a FW card might help.

If you have the money you get a FW800 enclosure, it's definitely faster than FW400.

Boyd Ostroff October 19th, 2003 02:32 PM

Actually I have 4 Maxtor 7200 RPM 160gb external firewire drives that work fine for video. These models (5000 DV) have the Oxford 911 chipset and are preformatted for the mac. No dropped frames or other problems. However, using an ACOM 60gb 7200 RPM drive with the same powerbook I get nothing but dropped frames and blocky digital breakup; not even usable. Make sure the firewire interface is fast enough on the external drives, it's not just the drive speed....

I am a bit spooked by the IBM/Hitachi drives. Got a new G4/1.25 about 2 months ago which had a 7200 RPM Hitachi Deskstar 80gb system drive. The drive suffered a hardware failure 3 weeks out of the box; made a terrible grinding/rattling sound.

Glenn Chan October 19th, 2003 04:28 PM

storagereview.com has a drive reliability database if you want to check out other people's experiences.

Promax (VAR for video editing systems) recommends IBM drives by the way.

Jeff Donald October 19th, 2003 04:31 PM

I don't think their sampling is big enough to be statistically of much use. It's just different peoples opinions so don't draw too many conclusions from what you read.

Andres Lucero October 21st, 2003 01:10 PM

I had the same drive as Boyd (Maxtor 5000 DV) and it became corrupt after 2-3 months of use, now WinXP tells me "the drive is not accessible"...

Bryan Beasleigh October 21st, 2003 02:48 PM

I've had the same trouble with thw IBM deathstar. You're going to get a bad drive now and again from any manufacturer. I've had good luck with Seagate and WD. My current HD's are the 7200 RPM 8 meg buffer models.

The service from Hitachi (IBM) was excellent. I put the drive in the freezer, off loaded all the data and sent it off to the Hitachi / IBM warranty depot. I had a new drive overnighted within days.

Dan Lahav October 23rd, 2003 05:48 PM

i've always trusted maxtor HDD's (10 years +) and have been very satisfied...never a problem. Plus i used to keep my computers on 24/7 until the CA energy crisis =\

Boyd Ostroff October 23rd, 2003 07:32 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Andres Lucero : I had the same drive as Boyd (Maxtor 5000 DV) and it became corrupt after 2-3 months of use -->>>

I've had that sort of problem on drives from various manufacturers. Personally I doubt that this has anything to do with the drive hardware, it's more likely an OS or software problem.

When you're chucking around multi-gigabyte files, nearing the capacity of the drive, and suffering the inevitable crashes it's only a matter of time before something gets screwed up.

I was in a total panic last month when one of my drives became corrupt while backing up 95GB of my current project between 2 firewire drives. To my horror I found that both the source and backup disk were filled with unreadable files. Then when I rebooted the source drive would not even mount. Of course this all happened at 4:00 AM and I had to be at work at 8:00. Not a happy day for me.

But that afternoon I got a copy of Disk Warrior. It diagnosed the problem and repaired it quickly. The drive was fine after that. If you're using MacOS X and FCP you really owe it to yourself to get a copy of this program (or whatever other utility you prefer) and have it handy. It sure would have lowered my anxiety level if I could have repaired that disk on the spot instead of worrying about it all day! ;-)

I seriously doubt that any of this was related to the maxtor drive mechanism, much more likely to be a disk allocation problem related to OS X or FCP which caused the directory to get trashed.

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