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Old April 28th, 2004, 07:49 PM   #1
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Im in a predicament

Ok guys..
I dont know what do do.
Should i..
a)Wait and save another thousand up for the Gl2
or
b)Go ahead and buy the Digital rebel

I love taking pics and i can do it all the time.
But with the gl2 i would be able to film better than what i have with,and it would also be better for when i make my skating movies.
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Old April 28th, 2004, 08:04 PM   #2
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Digital still camera vs. digital video camera... it can be a tough decision if you can only afford one or the other. While you're saving up the money to buy both, you might consider a hybrid camera for the time being.

The 3 megapixel Canon PowerShot S1 IS offers an image-stabilized 10x optical zoom plus an amazing 30fps video mode at 640x480. Not quite up to the DV spec, but it has the best video mode currently available among digicams. Price is under $500.

Or you might consider the 2mp Canon Optura Xi DV camcorder. Stills from the Xi will print at 8x10 under the right conditions and it includes a pop-up flash, hot shoe for a better flash attachment, continuous photo mode and photos while recording video. Price is under $1300.

Either one of these hybrids represents a compromise, but they are two possible solutions to having digital stills plus digital video in one camera within your budget. Hope this helps,
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Old April 28th, 2004, 08:21 PM   #3
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>The 3 megapixel Canon PowerShot S1 IS offers an image->stabilized 10x optical zoom plus an amazing 30fps video mode >at 640x480. Not quite up to the DV spec, but it has the best >video mode currently available among digicams. Price is under >$500.

Cool. I was looking at this camera, but the spec sheet on dpreview.com reads: 640x480, 15fps, max 30 sec.

Yeah, I'm really looking at 30fps video modes for my
next Camera. The new Sony DSC-F828, Nikon CoolPix8700, Minolta DiMAGE Z2 and some others also do
640x480 30 fps. The Sony came out on top with its streaming video modes (file size limited by flash card), but the image quality was dissed in all reviews .
Oh well. I guess I'll be waiting a while longer for a new digital
camera to replace my little Canon S40.
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Old April 28th, 2004, 08:25 PM   #4
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You can pretty well approximate having a good digital still camera using a standard 35mm SLR and a $100 flat bed scanner. Not as convenient as a digitial photo cam, but it'll work.

Meanwhile, if you don't have a video camera up to the specs of a GL2 or better, you're missing out on all sorts of direct, manual adjustments, improved color and clarity of a prosumer camera for you video.

Just a couple factors for you to consider as you make your choice for this time around. :)

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Old April 28th, 2004, 08:40 PM   #5
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I have a scanner,but i think that it would help me out ALOT better if i were to just go ahead and get the digital camera..
I take pictures CONSTANTLY,and i just dont have the money to get the film developed.
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Old April 28th, 2004, 09:57 PM   #6
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Make some money and get both. :)
If you can make good money with either, then get that one. It's probably cheaper to get started with photography- you pay less for a tripod, sound gear, and lighting (you may not even need ANY of those...).

Another way of looking at it is that you can hone your skill with still images first and then move onto the moving image (and sound).

Yet another way of looking at this is going the route with the lower long term cost. I can't tell which that is though. Both kinds of cameras are going to lose value to obsolescence (sic?). Highdef and cheaper video cameras are going to be coming out, and cheaper/better digital cameras are going to come out. Lenses for still cameras don't lose much value though. The photography route means you don't have to pay as much for processing anymore.
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Old April 28th, 2004, 10:07 PM   #7
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i have the tripod,and a little bit of lighitng
Ive been into film and photography for about a year,ive just never had the money to get better cameras
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Old April 29th, 2004, 02:35 PM   #8
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But what you don't say are what your requirements are for the digital stills....

Are you planning on doing 8 x 10 blow ups or severe crops? Do you just want stills for a web site or 4x6 prints?

If your answer is the former, then you need the digital still (but you don't really need a brand new Rebel, plenty of pretty good used digitals on Ebay).

If your still requirements are more modest, the GL2 can work for you. I've been impressed on what you can get by exporting a still from frame mode and playing with it in Photoshop.

It's not the resolution of my E10, but I don't have to carry both cameras around.

Hard question. Good luck.
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Old April 29th, 2004, 03:44 PM   #9
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i own a rebel, one problem with it was even though the camera was only 999 i kept buying lenses till i was happy, it never ends...best bet buy what you would think you would get the most use out of...

keep in mind with a digital camera you can take almost endless amount of pictures, disk space is so cheap, cheaper then tape, no, but cheap enough to build a giant photo library, i started about 5 years ago with a sony dcs770 i'm up to 38,000+ pictures...

thats a lot of memories, every year we compile a years worth onto dvd and watch time go buy...

i love my digital world
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Old May 4th, 2004, 12:51 AM   #10
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Regarding the PowerShot S1 IS

Received via private email:

"You claim the camera does 30 fps (I assume for a short amount of time). and someone else claims it can record 30 seconds for 15 fps. I'm wondering who is correct?"

I am. The DP Review spec sheet stating 640x480, 15fps, max 30 sec. is in serious error. One of the best features of the new S1 IS is its revolutionary movie mode which records VGA size (640x480) at 30 fps (not 15) up to the capacity of the card (not just 30 seconds). I should know not only because that's what the manufacturer's spec sheets say, but also because I have an S1 IS here in the house. This unlimited movie mode is even more amazing because you can change focal length (zoom) and change exposure during recording, which is a first in the digicam marketplace. Hope this helps,
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Old May 11th, 2004, 07:06 AM   #11
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Thanks for the clarification on this Chris. I do assume you need
those high-speed memory cards for this to work? Sounds quite
interesting. Does it store it as seperate JPEG's?
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Old May 11th, 2004, 08:28 AM   #12
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High-speed CG cards are indeed a better choice for the S1 IS. Also, a high-capacity card is a must for the 30fps VGA movie mode. A 256mb CF card will barely hold two minutes of video. The files are motion-JPEG, encoded in the .AVI format.
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Old May 11th, 2004, 09:15 AM   #13
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Have you tried Microdrives as a storage device? I would guess they are too slow. But the 4GB drives would give you around 30 minutes of storage.
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Old May 11th, 2004, 09:23 AM   #14
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The S1 IS has a CF Type 2 slot to accept microdrives, but I can't afford those, so I haven't tried 'em!
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Old May 11th, 2004, 06:26 PM   #15
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Sample S1 IS clips posted here.
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